Fine tuning Yugoslavia

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Re: Fine tuning Yugoslavia

Postby HrcAk47 » Fri 25 Aug 2017 10:36

NoVegas wrote:I thought there was an artillery variant of the Praga?

Also i agree if i just had more BOV's i would be happier...that or more Praga's. just some way to make the list less USSR feely. Im still upset that there is no BOV troop transport option and instead they just use re-branded USSR transports


Praga with D-30J is another not-in-service Yugoimport wank from late 2000s. Not worth mentioning, really.

See, the idea was to contain Yugoslavia within the planned equipment of SFRY, had it lasted together for 5-7 more years. It does so quite admirably if I may say so, and is very playable as-is. Some compromises had to be made for it to not be retardedly OP in all possible ways.

The original plan was to have it standalone - in other terms, without Entente. Had it been that way, we'd have likely seen a few extra units, such as infantry transport BOVs, M-84A with ERA, 10-man shock recon squad (Izvidjači), and Orao with thermobaric bombs.
The SEAD never bothered me anyway.

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Re: Fine tuning Yugoslavia

Postby NoVegas » Fri 25 Aug 2017 10:45

HrcAk47 wrote:
NoVegas wrote:I thought there was an artillery variant of the Praga?

Also i agree if i just had more BOV's i would be happier...that or more Praga's. just some way to make the list less USSR feely. Im still upset that there is no BOV troop transport option and instead they just use re-branded USSR transports


Praga with D-30J is another not-in-service Yugoimport wank from late 2000s. Not worth mentioning, really.

See, the idea was to contain Yugoslavia within the planned equipment of SFRY, had it lasted together for 5-7 more years. It does so quite admirably if I may say so, and is very playable as-is. Some compromises had to be made for it to not be retardedly OP in all possible ways.

The original plan was to have it standalone - in other terms, without Entente. Had it been that way, we'd have likely seen a few extra units, such as infantry transport BOVs, M-84A with ERA, 10-man shock recon squad (Izvidjači), and Orao with thermobaric bombs.


That would be the Yugoslavia i would be looking for...not a big fan of the Entente mainly for the reason that the dynamic doesnt make much sense unless you bring in Albania and Romania in the game...on the upsite i do like Pruzkumnici with there sniper rifle...

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Re: Fine tuning Yugoslavia

Postby HrcAk47 » Fri 25 Aug 2017 10:52

Nothing is stopping you from playing Yugoslavia solo. It is quite competitive, however you need to learn to deal with relatively bad openers. Or play 2v2s or 3v3s.

And besides, the Yugoslav recon selection is not weak at all. I personally use a card of Graničari in Pinz, Senke in Gazelle, HERA 2, T-55A Izvidjač and M-84AN. Mechanized warfare is the essence of Cold War.

Not sure about Albania, but Romania is definitely the finest contender for the next REDFOR nation, should Eugen decide to make more DLCs or maybe even a sequel. They would be able to provide the motorized hell experience you desire. While setting the world ablaze. ;)
The SEAD never bothered me anyway.

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Re: Fine tuning Yugoslavia

Postby NoVegas » Fri 25 Aug 2017 11:24

HrcAk47 wrote:Nothing is stopping you from playing Yugoslavia solo. It is quite competitive, however you need to learn to deal with relatively bad openers. Or play 2v2s or 3v3s.

And besides, the Yugoslav recon selection is not weak at all. I personally use a card of Graničari in Pinz, Senke in Gazelle, HERA 2, T-55A Izvidjač and M-84AN. Mechanized warfare is the essence of Cold War.

Not sure about Albania, but Romania is definitely the finest contender for the next REDFOR nation, should Eugen decide to make more DLCs or maybe even a sequel. They would be able to provide the motorized hell experience you desire. While setting the world ablaze. ;)


I just hate using Yugoslavia and being forced to bring USSR equipment, I can make a list using almost no USSR gear minus a few things but the transports bother me the most. Yugoslavia should definitely be allowed BOV transports, its not like there even game breaking because they only have a MG mounted on top.

Not trying to say the recon is weak either, its actually fine for what it does. i just prefer a certain style of recon that Yugoslavia only half way provides.

Also i just like the dynamic Yugoslavia brought to the Cold War. On another note, Romania, Albania, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia all didnt like how the USSR made its self the central head of the Warsaw Pact. They prefered a more liberal communism and thus had an understanding with each other. This is complicated by Czechoslvakia being invaded int he 60s to keep them on the hardline side of the Warsaw pact. hence why i can understand the Entente, but it doesnt make much sense unless you bring Albania and Romania into the fold as Czechoslovakia is technically occupied.

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Re: Fine tuning Yugoslavia

Postby HrcAk47 » Fri 25 Aug 2017 11:43

What do you mean the transports bother you? The list is quite okay.

Pinzgauer - Austrian
OT TAB-71 - Romanian (and it's not just a BTR-60PB copy)
OT M-60P series - Yugo
BVP M-80A series - Yugo
HT-40 helicopters are Soviet, though. But what's the issue with that?

Infantry tab is more France than USSR.
Tank tab is almost pure Yugo (from the tanks one should use, anyway).
Support tab is also mostly indigenous.

Soviet gear is really at a minimum, is it really such an issue?
The SEAD never bothered me anyway.

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Re: Fine tuning Yugoslavia

Postby Fodder » Fri 25 Aug 2017 15:41

NoVegas wrote:I recently purchased the REDs double expansion and was rather disapponted by Yugoslavia. I mainly purchased it to unlock Finland who brought new elements to the REDs. Yugoslavia on the other hand contained a lot of USSR vehicles, Planes, Helos, Tanks. More so then expected from a country that recieved equipment from both Warsaw and NATO. Worse yet is how the Yugoslavian army had a lot of its own equipment but it seems the game push's a lot of that aside in favor of yet more USSR stuff to compensate. The BOV had many variants that you dont find in game for one example.
-Granicari seem expensive for there stat line (at this price i expect 10 strength or better training)
-Senke are a bit expensive for only a strength of 2
-BOV-3 and BOV-30 should be available in vehicle section
-BOV M11 should be available for recon vehicle
-MRČKB BOV-3 should be available as a command vehicle
-HS M09 BOV-3 should be available for support
-M18 Hellcat should be available to its arsenal
-M36 “Topovnjaca” should be available
-SU-100 should be available

As it stands i dont think Yugoslavia was worth paying for the expansion due to the amount of re-used USSR equipment in there list. but i still recommend RED Double expansion for Finland.

take a look in the air tab.
u wont be able to spot anything in there thats russia.

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Re: Fine tuning Yugoslavia

Postby Mike » Fri 25 Aug 2017 16:17

Fodder wrote:
NoVegas wrote:I recently purchased the REDs double expansion and was rather disapponted by Yugoslavia. I mainly purchased it to unlock Finland who brought new elements to the REDs. Yugoslavia on the other hand contained a lot of USSR vehicles, Planes, Helos, Tanks. More so then expected from a country that recieved equipment from both Warsaw and NATO. Worse yet is how the Yugoslavian army had a lot of its own equipment but it seems the game push's a lot of that aside in favor of yet more USSR stuff to compensate. The BOV had many variants that you dont find in game for one example.
-Granicari seem expensive for there stat line (at this price i expect 10 strength or better training)
-Senke are a bit expensive for only a strength of 2
-BOV-3 and BOV-30 should be available in vehicle section
-BOV M11 should be available for recon vehicle
-MRČKB BOV-3 should be available as a command vehicle
-HS M09 BOV-3 should be available for support
-M18 Hellcat should be available to its arsenal
-M36 “Topovnjaca” should be available
-SU-100 should be available

As it stands i dont think Yugoslavia was worth paying for the expansion due to the amount of re-used USSR equipment in there list. but i still recommend RED Double expansion for Finland.

take a look in the air tab.
u wont be able to spot anything in there thats russia.


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Re: Fine tuning Yugoslavia

Postby Fodder » Fri 25 Aug 2017 16:21

Mike wrote:MiG-29.

fine, but that air tab is filled with alot of indigenous aircrafts tho
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Re: Fine tuning Yugoslavia

Postby LupusVulpes » Fri 25 Aug 2017 19:08

HrcAk47 wrote:
NoVegas wrote:I thought there was an artillery variant of the Praga?

Also i agree if i just had more BOV's i would be happier...that or more Praga's. just some way to make the list less USSR feely. Im still upset that there is no BOV troop transport option and instead they just use re-branded USSR transports


Praga with D-30J is another not-in-service Yugoimport wank from late 2000s. Not worth mentioning, really.

See, the idea was to contain Yugoslavia within the planned equipment of SFRY, had it lasted together for 5-7 more years. It does so quite admirably if I may say so, and is very playable as-is. Some compromises had to be made for it to not be retardedly OP in all possible ways.

The original plan was to have it standalone - in other terms, without Entente. Had it been that way, we'd have likely seen a few extra units, such as infantry transport BOVs, M-84A with ERA, 10-man shock recon squad (Izvidjači), and Orao with thermobaric bombs.


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Re: Fine tuning Yugoslavia

Postby GARGEAN » Fri 25 Aug 2017 21:50

LupusVulpes wrote:Šteta, moj stari je bio u izviđačima 1982 u Valjevu. M-70AB2, M76 SNAJPER I M80 Zolja, maskirne uniforme i bezbroj sati na skijama i na terenu :D

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