Finnish Spike missile out of time frame.

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Postby orcbuster » Wed 15 Feb 2017 16:32

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Postby GARGEAN » Wed 15 Feb 2017 17:49

orcbuster wrote:PERMABAN HANDED OUT

Octoberfest?

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GARGEAN wrote:
orcbuster wrote:PERMABAN HANDED OUT

Octoberfest?

Morpher, had his last warning.
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Postby Ribar » Wed 15 Feb 2017 19:06

Oktoberfest wrote:It's hard to believe that a country a third of the size and a quarter of the population of Germany, and still heavily relying on a rural economy can suddenly field aircrafts and even some tanks above or equal what Germany is fielding in WG. It's just.... inconsistent. And the alternate timeline starts only in 1991.


Yup, just like Nazi Me-262 vs USA's P-51, I mean, come on, US economy and industry was tenfold larger and better, how could Nazis pull it out with King Tigers, Mes, U-boats,V-rockets,...

Yugoslav economy could not match that one of the WGer, but Yugo was investing a lot of money into research and development as well as into military. It's military was very large for country it's size and economy.

How do you explain Israel producing it's own aircraft and heavy tanks as well as fielding well trained army when the country is so small?

Edit : sorry if it's derailing from OP
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Re: Finnish Spike missile out of time frame.

Postby Nequit » Wed 15 Feb 2017 19:14

Ribar wrote:Yup, just like Nazi Me-262 vs USA's P-51, I mean, come on, US economy and industry was tenfold larger and better, how could Nazis pull it out with King Tigers, Mes, U-boats,V-rockets,...


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No a single late war Nazi prototype was in any mean useful, on both tactical and strategical levels. I guess that Yugo analogy is spot on.

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Re: Finnish Spike missile out of time frame.

Postby shnowitzer » Wed 15 Feb 2017 19:36

I don't know how I should feel that morpher breathed his last on my thread

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Re: Finnish Spike missile out of time frame.

Postby Sgt._Pepper » Wed 15 Feb 2017 19:39

Nequit wrote:No a single late war Nazi prototype was in any mean useful, on both tactical and strategical levels. I guess that Yugo analogy is spot on.


Not really. The Yugo prototypes are just more modern versions of old, useful weapons. A modern tank, a modern plane, a modern short range ATGM etc. They are not novel concepts and neither half baked nor retarded ideas like some of the Nazi prototypes.
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Re: Finnish Spike missile out of time frame.

Postby GARGEAN » Wed 15 Feb 2017 20:42

orcbuster wrote:Morpher, had his last warning.

Dam, I will miss that bastard.

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Re: Finnish Spike missile out of time frame.

Postby Sleksa » Wed 15 Feb 2017 21:14

Nequit wrote:No a single late war Nazi prototype was in any mean useful, on both tactical and strategical levels. I guess that Yugo analogy is spot on.


Wasserfall and other systems come to mind, as do certain radar systems that came too late and in too little numbers.

I managed to read a few books that went really in depth into the statistical side of ww2 and there was pretty much no chance whatsoever for the axis power on that angle to win the war, especially once certain key productions started plummeting (oil and some electronics). IIRC on D-day there were more radars deployed on the whole operation than there was ever manufactured by Germany through the war, and the losses of the bomber command were in some months going over 3 digits but the industry could back those losses up while Germany couldn't replace much of it's production anywhere.

In that sense I think the Soviet design ideas were very far ahead of most western countries through the cold war, by optimizing/maximizing the productability of items rather than the efficiency. Ofcourse it also shows some optimism that there'd still be resources to keep manufacturing on in a global & nuclear live-fire exercise.
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Re: Finnish Spike missile out of time frame.

Postby codextero » Wed 15 Feb 2017 22:32

Sleksa wrote:Wasserfall and other systems come to mind, as do certain radar systems that came too late and in too little numbers.

In that sense I think the Soviet design ideas were very far ahead of most western countries through the cold war, by optimizing/maximizing the productability of items rather than the efficiency. Ofcourse it also shows some optimism that there'd still be resources to keep manufacturing on in a global & nuclear live-fire exercise.


Wasserfall went down the wrong path for surface to air missiles. It was MCLOS, which was utterly hopeless for engaging aircraft.

I think it was everyone's concensus that WW3 would be a "bring what you have affair". The war would be over in one month max, which is not enough time to produce anything approaching sufficient amount to replace combat losses. Rather than being able to be produced after the nuclear apocalypse, the Soviet focus on production engineering was meant so they could bring the most to the war when it kicked off.

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