On the rebalance of air-to-air missiles

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Re: On the rebalance of air-to-air missiles

Postby Vestly » Sun 12 Feb 2017 15:02

Mig-23 ASF not being complete garbage? Yes please.

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Re: On the rebalance of air-to-air missiles

Postby GARGEAN » Sun 12 Feb 2017 16:28

HrcAk47 wrote:
GARGEAN wrote:R-40 has not 38, but 55kg warhead. So no nerf.


Both variants are stated. Look above.

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Re: On the rebalance of air-to-air missiles

Postby RedFive » Sun 12 Feb 2017 16:53

How would the AIM-54 Phoenix from the F-14 fit in? Its warhead is ~60kg IIRC. 8 or 9 HE?

Minor nitpick: Your top two categories overlap in warhead mass: 35-49kg and 45+ kg. I take it the latter is meant to be 50+kg?

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Re: On the rebalance of air-to-air missiles

Postby HrcAk47 » Sun 12 Feb 2017 17:46

RedFive wrote:How would the AIM-54 Phoenix from the F-14 fit in? Its warhead is ~60kg IIRC. 8 or 9 HE?

Minor nitpick: Your top two categories overlap in warhead mass: 35-49kg and 45+ kg. I take it the latter is meant to be 50+kg?


Ah yes, indeed, it's a typo.

As for Tomcat, MiG-25s and MiG-31s, I'd rather see them re-rolled to other purposes, but on this list, they would have 8 HE.
The SEAD never bothered me anyway.

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Re: On the rebalance of air-to-air missiles

Postby Sleksa » Sun 12 Feb 2017 21:32

antizombies_boy wrote:I like the idea of 5HE for all the AIM-9 series. +1


This skews the difference in lethality massively for the blufor aircraft in comparison to redfor, of which a large portion is flying around with 3he missiles and missiles with same HE values but a lot worse accuracy. Imagine what the difference would be with a MiG-21 armed with 4x R-60's and a F-4 armed with 4x Aim-9E's. Both have terrible accuracy, and one of them needs 4 hits(or 3 with massively good cannon rolls) for a kill while the other needs 2 hits for a kill.

Instead, a drop in price for a lot of low end fighters coupled with higher availability would be a better way to make a lot more aircraft viable.
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Re: On the rebalance of air-to-air missiles

Postby thelizardofdoom » Sun 12 Feb 2017 21:56

Nope, as another poster has said 1 shot plane crits need to go. Losing planes can make the difference between win or lose and therefore needs to be as unrandom as possible.
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Re: On the rebalance of air-to-air missiles

Postby HrcAk47 » Sun 12 Feb 2017 22:53

Sleksa wrote:
antizombies_boy wrote:I like the idea of 5HE for all the AIM-9 series. +1


This skews the difference in lethality massively for the blufor aircraft in comparison to redfor, of which a large portion is flying around with 3he missiles and missiles with same HE values but a lot worse accuracy. Imagine what the difference would be with a MiG-21 armed with 4x R-60's and a F-4 armed with 4x Aim-9E's. Both have terrible accuracy, and one of them needs 4 hits(or 3 with massively good cannon rolls) for a kill while the other needs 2 hits for a kill.

Instead, a drop in price for a lot of low end fighters coupled with higher availability would be a better way to make a lot more aircraft viable.


The "R-60 problem" is a great issue indeed. At the very least, both R-60 and R-60M can be at 4 HE, because the difference in warhead weight is minuscule.

Another workaround that can be done is ripple firing R-60s.
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Re: On the rebalance of air-to-air missiles

Postby Razzmann » Sun 12 Feb 2017 23:07

I fail to see it being a problem. There is barely a plane using it where it would actually matter.

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Re: On the rebalance of air-to-air missiles

Postby HrcAk47 » Sun 12 Feb 2017 23:26

Razzmann wrote:I fail to see it being a problem. There is barely a plane using it where it would actually matter.


The idea is that this could lead to more planes actually becoming (more) useful at what they do, and occasionally making them a viable pick.

For example, MiG-23 line is very neglected for what it could be doing.
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