Mephistopheles wrote:Maybe another approach to SARH missiles is to fire them in pairs instead one by one. All modern aircrafts equiped with SARH and modern radar utilize this tactic.
Not only modern, but every SARH system ever developed have this. capability because of the principle of the guidance.
Ony problem it would make totally OP old SARH fighter because of math. You have access to 50%*1.32 = 66% (2/card elite ASF) and 60% with 3XP SARH platfroms like Su-27S. With pair launched - and way too high range R-27R - they simply beat any other AC from the sky evn in cat A because of double dice roll qty. within the same time. Instead of one diceroll they have double. So when an ARH capable jet launhes 1 ARH + 1 SR IRAAM in head on or 1 ARH vs 2x SARH with similar or same ACC the SARH platfrom will win.
Just make the calculation. SARH jets simply would kill all ASF. http://stattrek.com/online-calculator/binomial.aspx
Also is quite hard to argue why you allow for SARH AAM and why you do not allow for SAMs and ARH or ANY missiles in the game this. In RL you can do it with ARH, IR and SARH either...
The radar is abe to guide both missiles into the same Target or two diffrent Targets.
Just a note. In RL The SARH missile guides itself. This is the point. You have unlimited missile channel with SARH but only one target channel with non ESA radar because you can illumniate only one target at a time. MiG-31 was the first ESA eqipped fither and had. sim. eng. capability beacuse of PESA.
First ESA based SAM systems were S-300PS/PT, Patriot and for naval the AEGIS. AEGIS was special because it required CW target illumination could not use the natural reflection of search radar, SPG-62 is the CW target illuminator.
F-15A with AIM-7 also used CW target illuminator but with AIM-7M the natural refelxion of AN/APG-63 could be used. MiG-23 also used CW illuminator, the difference between MiG-23 and F-15 the look down shoot down capability.
Of course this is also possible by AIM-120 missiles to a greater extend. Most aircrafts can enage 6 airplanes simultansly with SPAMRAMS.
Nope, most can "only" 4. Only problem on tactical level this is theoretical because of target designation and IFF limitations. Against non manov. cruise missiles and incoming ASMs. Maybe the most advanced ASF can recommend and designate to you 4 targets in total AUTO mode.
But for Balancing reason u already stated it would be a good idea to limit that ability to only 3rd Generation SARH equiped aircrafts like F15A yugoslav Mig29 and etc.
Even with this would make OP SARH fighters especially against only SR IR capable ASF..
... why are even today used by no one.
Also would make OP USSR because no other country has good and usable
SARH ASF with two types of 60% base ACC AAM.
- USA does not have or not B cat ASF at all. (+AIM-7F/M separation with 50/60 % base ACC still have not been made...)
- UK B cat Tornado got only better ECM and longer range but both AAM have 50% base ACC.
- Mirage-2000C has only 2xBVR missiles but at least with 60%, it would mean minor boost and still suffers from 5HE + 4HE combo.
- DAN F-16 has only 50% AIM-7M instead 60%.
- Viggen has only 50% BVR AAM.
- JAP F-15J has only 50% AIM-7M.
While on red side except DPRK every MiG-29 have 60% R-27R and 60% R-73 so for them would mean such boost as Mirage-2000C EXCEPT they have 6+5 = 11HE killing capability comparing to 5+4 = 9HE Mirage-2000C.
Su-27S has 4xR-27R with 40% ECM AND 60% R-73. It would outclass any ASF with this change especially it comes with 3XP and 2/card.
This change would lead total imbalance between red and blue and also between current ASF type.
That way we could keep the 6 HE damage on most SARH missiles and still making them very dangerous.
The Benefit of F&F equiped aircrafts is they can circle in a specific zone and keep firing while flying circles. They dont have to fly towards target to guide the missile.
On the other hand SARH equiped aircrafts have to fly towards eenemy target expsoing themselfs to various dangers.
As long as you can launched double qty. of very high base ACC BVR missile the circle does not provie anyting because of lack of kinematic modeling. Such SAR ASF as Su-27 almost "instakill" any high ECM AC. They have much higher chance to hit first of hit two AAM and instakill.
I would limit ripple fire (2 missiles) only newer aircrafts and exclude the Mig25PD from that since it already has a huge HE output. It might be wise to cap max. range of SARH missiles with ripple fire mode to 7700m instead of 8400 m.
Would not help.
That would be my approach to give SARH equpped aircrafts back some life.
Rather it would make OP them - especially for red side - and would make even more pointless only SR IR AAM jet. Nobody ever used them even their price would be 0CP.