How to have more Balance in Red Dragon game ? if there is a new "Balace Patch" ever

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Re: How to have more Balance in Red Dragon game ? if there is a new "Balace Patch" ever

Postby HrcAk47 » Thu 20 Apr 2017 08:22

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FrangibleCover wrote:Ah, sorry. Because I literally didn't read any of the rest of the post, I thought you were suggesting a small but sensible adjustment of some description (as you so often do).

You're quite right. They need their fire cones widened, the MiG-31M needs R-77s on every other hardpoint and they both need to have their availability per card doubled. Turning the base MiG-31 into an imaginary hypothetical strike bomber variant is also a possibility.


Hooonestly, I'd rather them just remove the MiG-31s flat out and turn the F-14 into the Cat B ASF for the US Marine deck. AIM-9Ms and -7Ms.


This would be the proper way to go about it.

But, in the hypothetical scenario MiG-31M stays.. 4x R-37, 2x R-40TD-1 as a loadout is an incredibly enticing thought.
The SEAD never bothered me anyway.

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Re: How to have more Balance in Red Dragon game ? if there is a new "Balace Patch" ever

Postby Mike » Thu 20 Apr 2017 16:36

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Mike wrote:Hooonestly, I'd rather them just remove the MiG-31s flat out and turn the F-14 into the Cat B ASF for the US Marine deck. AIM-9Ms and -7Ms.


This would be the proper way to go about it.

But, in the hypothetical scenario MiG-31M stays.. 4x R-37, 2x R-40TD-1 as a loadout is an incredibly enticing thought.


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Re: How to have more Balance in Red Dragon game ? if there is a new "Balace Patch" ever

Postby Fodder » Sat 22 Apr 2017 22:12

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Fodder wrote:I think the dlc nations need their prices adjust accordingly to the nations that were there b4.


What do you mean? I think the prices are pretty much on point, bar a few outliers (KT).

As for the Finnish MiG-29, I'd like to see other MiG-29s get 1000 speed too.

Srry wat i meant to say was there are a few dlc units that are not priced correctly.

- In recon tab Mi -1 and Finland's Alouette 2 are both 35pts. but alouette has better stats over all
- The yugo j22 and su 25k are almost identical but j22 has a 3rd weapon.

Also why is the j17 and j7 asf 1000kph too?
I know they j-7 had upgrades.
Maybe all ASF and Interceptors should have 1000kph.

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Re: How to have more Balance in Red Dragon game ? if there is a new "Balace Patch" ever

Postby HrcAk47 » Sat 22 Apr 2017 22:21

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HrcAk47 wrote:
Fodder wrote:I think the dlc nations need their prices adjust accordingly to the nations that were there b4.


What do you mean? I think the prices are pretty much on point, bar a few outliers (KT).

As for the Finnish MiG-29, I'd like to see other MiG-29s get 1000 speed too.

Srry wat i meant to say was there are a few dlc units that are not priced correctly.

- In recon tab Mi -1 and Finland's Alouette 2 are both 35pts. but alouette has better stats over all
- The yugo j22 and su 25k are almost identical but j22 has a 3rd weapon.

Also why is the j17 and j7 asf 1000kph too?
I know they j-7 had upgrades.
Maybe all ASF and Interceptors should have 1000kph.


How much armor does a Su-25K have?
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Postby Fodder » Sat 22 Apr 2017 22:22

2 AV :/
Its kinda hard to compare the 2

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Postby HrcAk47 » Sat 22 Apr 2017 22:33

Fodder wrote:2 AV :/
Its kinda hard to compare the 2


With 2 AV it can tank AA like nothing. Even ASFs have issues taking stuff with 2 AV.
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Postby FrangibleCover » Sat 22 Apr 2017 22:49

Fodder wrote:The yugo j22 and su 25k are almost identical but j22 has a 3rd weapon.

I'm sorry, which aircraft are we comparing? The Yugoslav J-22B Orao 2 with 2x Mavericks and the S-5s? The North Korean Su-25K with the 4x Kh-23s, an AP gun, armour, 20% less ECM, a slower speed and, as you say, no third weapon?

I'm not going to comment on whether they're priced fairly because I don't have the sort of game knowledge that would allow me to say, but they're sure as hell not almost identical. The J-22B is more like the Czechoslovak Su-25K but to be honest it's not much like that one either and the CZ one has a third weapon.
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Postby Razzmann » Sat 22 Apr 2017 23:43

HrcAk47 wrote:
Fodder wrote:2 AV :/
Its kinda hard to compare the 2


With 2 AV it can tank AA like nothing. Even ASFs have issues taking stuff with 2 AV.

2FAV is almost meaningless though. 2 rear AV is where it's at, and only the A-10, Su-25T and IL-102 have that.

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Re: How to have more Balance in Red Dragon game ? if there is a new "Balace Patch" ever

Postby Fodder » Sun 23 Apr 2017 04:32

I just want the mi-1 to be 30pts.
That is all.
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Postby FrangibleCover » Sun 23 Apr 2017 09:19

Fodder wrote:I just want the alouette to be 40pts.
That is all.

Mi-1 - 35 points, 180km/h
Alouette II - 35 points, 185km/h
Mi-2 - 40 points, 200km/h
Alouette III - 40 points, 210km/h
HKP 6A - 40 points, 220km/h
Bo-105CB - 45 points, 240km/h
OH-6 - 45 points, 260 km/h
HI-42 Hera - 50 points, 310km/h

Looks alright to me. The Alouette is debatably 5km/h too expensive for its price but if you change it then it's something like 25km/h too slow for its price. If you absolutely care about 5km/h then ask for a speed nerf, not a price nerf.
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