West-Germany (or hoping without hope)

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Re: West-Germany (or hoping without hope)

Postby FrangibleCover » Sun 10 Sep 2017 11:12

Steamfunk wrote:Imagine if the MiG-29 had the same treatment as the F-16, we'd have 4 different versions and unlike the F-16 Block X/Y these would actually be relevant and/or useful.

No you wouldn't, you'd have a reasonably good MiG-29 9.13S with 4x R-77 and 2x R-73 and you'd have a pair of pointless cluster bombers, the first a 9.12 with 4x RBK-500s and 2x R-60M, the second a 9.13 with 4x RBK-500 and 2x R-73.

Then Yugoslavia would have gotten all of its various 9.12Bs with their individual serial numbers and an additional pair of prototype MiG-29SMs, one as an ASF and one for strike.
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Postby GARGEAN » Sun 10 Sep 2017 11:12

Bougnas wrote:Didn't it use some form of glass to form a composite armor?

Glass-reinforsed textolite in hull. Corundum balls/aluminium/HHS in turret cavities.

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Re: West-Germany (or hoping without hope)

Postby Steamfunk » Sun 10 Sep 2017 18:22

No you wouldn't, you'd have a reasonably good MiG-29 9.13S with 4x R-77 and 2x R-73 and you'd have a pair of pointless cluster bombers, the first a 9.12 with 4x RBK-500s and 2x R-60M, the second a 9.13 with 4x RBK-500 and 2x R-73.


The F-16 didn't use the Sparrow until the late 80s when the ADF variant emerged. The MiG-29 was designed to carry BVR missiles, which is one of the reasons why it entered service later than the F-16A.

Glass-reinforsed textolite in hull. Corundum balls/aluminium/HHS in turret cavities.


Isn't that for the later series, T-64A mod. 1974?

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Re: West-Germany (or hoping without hope)

Postby GARGEAN » Sun 10 Sep 2017 18:26

Steamfunk wrote:Isn't that for the later series, T-64A mod. 1974?

1969 for aluminium, 1971 for HHS and 1974 for corundum, IIRC.
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Postby Markenzwieback » Tue 12 Sep 2017 19:56

In terms of unique units, West-Germany should have carried over Jagdkommando in addition to receiving dedicated 2-man Milan ATGM teams.

Jagdkommando (and its '85 version):
  • 5-man shock infantry squad dedicated to tank hunting (Panzergrenadiers units were trained to use the Milans independently from Marder IFVs)
  • G3 armament as Panzergrenadiers get (with shock stats)
  • Milan and Milan 2 (for '85 version)
  • Same amount of missiles as the Marder IFVs carry
  • Available only in mechanized and armored specialization
  • NO stealth!
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Re: West-Germany (or hoping without hope)

Postby Razzmann » Tue 12 Sep 2017 20:17

Markenzwieback wrote:
  • NO stealth!

You mean no extra stealth compared to normal 10men squads or no stealth at all? :P

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Re: West-Germany (or hoping without hope)

Postby Markenzwieback » Tue 12 Sep 2017 20:25

Razzmann wrote:
Markenzwieback wrote:
  • NO stealth!

You mean no extra stealth compared to normal 10men squads or no stealth at all? :P

No additional stealth compared to the bonus (almost) all ATGM teams get. Basically 5-man Panzergrens without an MG and a Milan for AT.
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Re: West-Germany (or hoping without hope)

Postby Nathan des Lessings » Wed 13 Sep 2017 14:08

Markenzwieback wrote: Basically 5-man Panzergrens without an MG and a Milan for AT.


So basically a new "Deckungsgruppe" or instead them?
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Postby Markenzwieback » Wed 13 Sep 2017 14:18

Nathan des Lessings wrote:
Markenzwieback wrote: Basically 5-man Panzergrens without an MG and a Milan for AT.


So basically a new "Deckungsgruppe" or instead them?

No, additional to them. A "Deckungsgruppe" with anti-infantry AT has a totally different role. They are meant to support attacking formations (Sturmgruppe) in house to house combat with suppressive fire from their rifles and launchers.
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Re: West-Germany (or hoping without hope)

Postby Nathan des Lessings » Sat 16 Sep 2017 01:36

[quote="Markenzwieback"
No, additional to them. A "Deckungsgruppe" with anti-infantry AT has a totally different role. They are meant to support attacking formations (Sturmgruppe) in house to house combat with suppressive fire from their rifles and launchers.[/quote]

I dont think that a new unit would be introduced, but maybe a existing unit would be changed.
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