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Re: Broken Shit that Needs Fixing ASAP

Postby another505 » Wed 23 Aug 2017 16:37

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Razzmann wrote:How often does your aa get panicked while shooting at a plane?

How often does your aa get kills while shooting at a plane panicked? :twisted:

I have seen panicked electric voodoo killing my tors like two times
meanwhile, i have seen my Jh-7 sead miss three times in a roll against one target at calm....
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throwaway wrote:I never made a statement on whether shilka is better or worse than vulcan. As for your second sentence, I ask you again to provide an engagement profile where consistent fire applies more damage than bursty damage provided equal overall rof. You will find it impossible.

Feel free to say that high rof is better than low rof, to argue otherwise would be retarded, but it also isn't correct to bring up burst fire as a disadvantage except in units whose number one job is anti-infantry suppression.

Yes, I will definitely find it impossible. Just like you seems to finding impossible reload time growing with even minimal shift of morale from normal. Right?

How often does your aa get panicked while shooting at a plane?

It can be panicked before hand, MLRS and mortars are quite common
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Re: Broken Shit that Needs Fixing ASAP

Postby Razzmann » Wed 23 Aug 2017 16:44

another505 wrote:
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Razzmann wrote:How often does your aa get panicked while shooting at a plane?

How often does your aa get kills while shooting at a plane panicked? :twisted:

I have seen panicked electric voodoo killing my tors like two times

Morale has no effect on plane acc.

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Re: Broken Shit that Needs Fixing ASAP

Postby Razzmann » Wed 23 Aug 2017 16:45

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Razzmann wrote:How often does your aa get panicked while shooting at a plane?

On frontlines(where SPAAGs belongs) under mortar fire, close death of IFV/tanks, under multiple planes bombrun - pretty enough. And how about helis? How do you think, who will have better chances against cannon/rocket heli, sustained rof or burst fire?

It depends on whether there are multiple helos or one :P

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Re: Broken Shit that Needs Fixing ASAP

Postby another505 » Wed 23 Aug 2017 16:58

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Morale has no effect on plane acc.

Even air to ground? I thought only air to air.
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Postby nande » Wed 23 Aug 2017 16:58

Razzmann wrote:Morale has no effect on plane acc.
???

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Postby GARGEAN » Wed 23 Aug 2017 17:35

Razzmann wrote:It depends on whether there are multiple helos or one :P

Is it? Shilka will almost never kill helo with one burst. After burst and retaliation rocket barrage it will go to infinite reload. Vulcan, OTOH, can at least spray and pray stunning helo.

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Re: Broken Shit that Needs Fixing ASAP

Postby Razzmann » Wed 23 Aug 2017 18:00

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Razzmann wrote:It depends on whether there are multiple helos or one :P

Is it? Shilka will almost never kill helo with one burst. After burst and retaliation rocket barrage it will go to infinite reload. Vulcan, OTOH, can at least spray and pray stunning helo.

You should stop with the Shilka vs Vulcan comparison. Nobody said the Shilka is better. It is about whether magazines on aa guns are always a disadvantage.

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Re: Broken Shit that Needs Fixing ASAP

Postby GARGEAN » Wed 23 Aug 2017 18:33

Razzmann wrote:
GARGEAN wrote:
Razzmann wrote:It depends on whether there are multiple helos or one :P

Is it? Shilka will almost never kill helo with one burst. After burst and retaliation rocket barrage it will go to infinite reload. Vulcan, OTOH, can at least spray and pray stunning helo.

You should stop with the Shilka vs Vulcan comparison. Nobody said the Shilka is better. It is about whether magazines on aa guns are always a disadvantage.

Okay then. Burst-firing SPAAGwill almost never kill helo with one burst. After burst and retaliation rocket barrage it will go to infinite reload. Non-stop firing SPAAG, OTOH, can at least spray and pray stunning helo.
That's better?

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Re: Broken Shit that Needs Fixing ASAP

Postby Razzmann » Wed 23 Aug 2017 18:57

GARGEAN wrote:Okay then. Burst-firing SPAAGwill almost never kill helo with one burst. After burst and retaliation rocket barrage it will go to infinite reload. Non-stop firing SPAAG, OTOH, can at least spray and pray stunning helo.
That's better?

That heavily depends on burst length, shot reload, accuracy, etc. Otomatic & Tunguska are pretty good at killing helos are they not? There are just not a lot of spaags that have magazines, but everyone only thinks of Shilka and Biryusa which are just a bit overpriced. Both have a very good burst damage, but they lack range and / or are too expensive.

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Re: Broken Shit that Needs Fixing ASAP

Postby GARGEAN » Wed 23 Aug 2017 19:37

Razzmann wrote:That heavily depends on burst length, shot reload, accuracy, etc. Otomatic & Tunguska are pretty good at killing helos are they not? There are just not a lot of spaags that have magazines, but everyone only thinks of Shilka and Biryusa which are just a bit overpriced. Both have a very good burst damage, but they lack range and / or are too expensive.

And thus you can easily imagine how would perform SPAAG with DPM of Otomatic and without reload. Cause we are tanking about same grade systems, no shit.

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