MiG-29 Loadouts

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Re: MiG-29 Loadouts

Postby keldon » Fri 5 Jan 2018 16:12

Steamfunk wrote:Anyway, the point is what do we do with the North Korean MiG-29 which is the only Cat. A fighter that can legitimately be described as useless. One solution would be to buff the accuracy and/or range of the R-27T, but it would be just as easy to swap it with the SA missile. Either way I prefer the R-73 to the R-60.


Jst give it the 2xR-27R and 4xR-60 loadout, it's authentic and shouldn't be such huge issue. If anybody want a LAZUR clone, then there are plenty of shittier units in the plane tab you can rerole.

btw. don't waste your time on dat guy.
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Re: MiG-29 Loadouts

Postby Markenzwieback » Fri 5 Jan 2018 16:18

keldon wrote:Jst give it the 2xR-27R and 4xR-60 loadout, it's authentic and shouldn't be such huge issue. If anybody want a LAZUR clone, then there are plenty of shittier units in the plane tab you can rerole.

btw. don't waste your time on dat guy.

R-27R would put it into the 120 point range though.
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Re: MiG-29 Loadouts

Postby keldon » Fri 5 Jan 2018 16:35

Markenzwieback wrote:
keldon wrote:Jst give it the 2xR-27R and 4xR-60 loadout, it's authentic and shouldn't be such huge issue. If anybody want a LAZUR clone, then there are plenty of shittier units in the plane tab you can rerole.

btw. don't waste your time on dat guy.

R-27R would put it into the 120 point range though.


Doesn't really matter, and i would even say it is welcomed, since Su-27Sk is shit and J-8C is mediocre. MRAAM MiG-29 will offer a much better ASF for RD.
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Re: MiG-29 Loadouts

Postby Steamfunk » Fri 5 Jan 2018 16:49

FYI the "MiG-23MF IRST feed" is a gunsight picture of a older mig-21that is frequently photoshopped to show "kill cams" of anything from tomcats to sr-71's


The same sight was used by the MiG-23 and others for manual aiming - it's called 'Setka' mode.

Doesn't really matter, and i would even say it is welcomed, since Su-27Sk is shit and J-8C is mediocre. MRAAM MiG-29 will offer a much better ASF for RD.


I really did like the idea of NK having more sneaky hit and run-type units though, it just sounds right.
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Re: MiG-29 Loadouts

Postby HrcAk47 » Fri 5 Jan 2018 22:31

NK can have up to 3 types of nice ASF.


MiG-23MLA (23.19 third world ver.): 2x R-24R, 4x R-60M, 10-20% ECM, 105 pts.
MiG-29B (9.12B): 2x R-27R1, 4x R-60M, 30% ECM, 115 pts
MiG-29 9.13: 2x R-27R, 4x R-73, 40% ECM, 135 pts.
The SEAD never bothered me anyway.

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Re: MiG-29 Loadouts

Postby VCG-001 USS Spain » Sun 7 Jan 2018 17:11

Frencho wrote:Actually, the USAF introduced IRST pods before the USSR air branches.

Infrared Search and Track was invented by Texas Instruments, further developed by Hugues Aircraft and by 1967 Crusaders and F-4 Phantoms were equipped with IRST pods during the Vietnam War, half a decade before the Flogger B (MIG-23M) ever went into production in 1972!

The USAF and USN pilots feedback was that IRST was beyond useless and gave no operational benefit due to blurry image quality and low detection ranges. This lead the USA’s decision to leave IRST on the backburner for a couple of decades.

Meanwhile optronics pods like Litening, Lantirn, Sniper, Legion, Damocles, Talios can do all the things integrated IRST can do, but much better, on any combat plane able to fusion the pod’s sensors feed.

Simply because most integrated IRST tech dates from the mid 80s to late 90s and haven’t been overhauled since then.

Then, semi-conductors, CMOS image sensors and camera tech overall saw an exponential growth in quality and capabilities by the late 2000s. This is mostly linked with the digital revolution on the consumer market: RED Cinema, GoPro, smartphone cameras, dash cams you name it.
So right now, IRST is back in force because the civilian market did a good job miniaturizing powerful optics and sensors with excellent semi-conductors and modules to process the raw data.

Hell, I call BS on all those nice brochures singing praise about the Su-27 and MIG-29 integrated IRSTs, because even the ones on the Rafale, the Eurofighter Typhoon and the F-35 are already considered obsolete by targeting and recon pod standards.
The advertised detection ranges on any integrated IRST+FLIR are as BS as my USB 3.1 Gen 2 port reaching 10 gigabit/s transfer speeds.

Concerning the F-35, EOTS integrated IRST is already considered outdated because it’s based on an older Sniper module, and the bloody plane is not even operational yet! When it reaches operational status by the late 2020s, EOTS will be downright obsolete.

In my opinion it’s much easier and cheaper to just swap pods every decade than to overhaul integrated IRST, because the pace of image sensor quality and processing power is exponential these days.

Lastly, Russians have been getting all their critical optronic components from French companies (THALES/SAFRAN) since the late 90s, be it MBT thermal cameras or aircraft/helicopter IRSTs. Now due to sanctions the Russian defense industry can’t get French optronics anymore. Curious how European sanctions hit Russia in 2015 and all their lavish defense programs fall flat…

P.S : No the Foxhound is not stealthy, it's a big ass plane with no RCS reduction features, huge reactors and exhaust and non-stealthy commlinks because stealthy commlinks are exclusive to the F-22 and F-35 so far. If turning off the radar is what you consider stealth, then every airplane can be stealthy.


Thankfully, Lockheed Martin is developing (privately at the moment) an upgrade for the EOTS that can fit in the space the original internal EOTS fits in. It may end up on hundreds, or thousands, of newer F-35s if the government wants it, and will be able to be upgraded on to older birds.

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Re: MiG-29 Loadouts

Postby Sleksa » Mon 8 Jan 2018 11:28

Steamfunk wrote:
FYI the "MiG-23MF IRST feed" is a gunsight picture of a older mig-21that is frequently photoshopped to show "kill cams" of anything from tomcats to sr-71's


The same sight was used by the MiG-23 and others for manual aiming - it's called 'Setka' mode.


Yeah to be a bit more spesific and as far as I know it's basically a backup sight picture that has been used in more or less every soviet plane since forever. In DCS it's available for every single soviet/russian plane from MiG-21 and 29 as well as all the sukhoi planes (25 & variants,27,33)

But it certainly is not a "irst feed" and I've very little idea why anyone would even think so
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