To SEAD, or not to SEAD

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To SEAD, or not to SEAD

Postby James-Bond » Tue 8 May 2018 02:09

So a question is how essential do you consider SEAD planes to be part of your deck?

I think of them as too specialised, and plane tab to justify them in my Coalition Decks.
National Deck if they have a good SEAD plane I may include it.

My main question is Aimed at using SEAD vs Good players.

When I do use SEAD planes i will usually sweep a bit across the front line, near my front line.
Usually killing cannon AA.

But good players usually have Radar off by default, until a plane flys over.

Rather than getting kills. Is SEAD more about harassing the enemy, and making them micro more, and using Air support more aggressively?

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Re: To SEAD, or not to SEAD

Postby another505 » Tue 8 May 2018 03:47

James-Bond wrote:So a question is how essential do you consider SEAD planes to be part of your deck?

I think of them as too specialised, and plane tab to justify them in my Coalition Decks.
National Deck if they have a good SEAD plane I may include it.

My main question is Aimed at using SEAD vs Good players.

When I do use SEAD planes i will usually sweep a bit across the front line, near my front line.
Usually killing cannon AA.

But good players usually have Radar off by default, until a plane flys over.

Rather than getting kills. Is SEAD more about harassing the enemy, and making them micro more, and using Air support more aggressively?

Not essential, but very important. I play national yugo, finland, sweden quite a lot so i haven't find it too problematic without it. Good use of MLRS and Artillery can be your psedo sead. and all three of the nations i mentioned has them (uragan, bkan1c, i forgot what the yugo 90pts mlrs is called)
In small games, i would say is essential, especially cheap/medium price SEAD can be very helpful .But in bigger games, they start getting useless as enemy can afford more IR AA to cover it, patriots, eots hawk/IR Newa. But they are still useful.

SEAD is everything you said, getting kills, harassing, micro more, allow air support more often. And occassionally pissing the enemy off which makes them a less proficient player :lol:

i know i get angry and salty when my sead misses and the enemy somehow just always hit.....
Even good players get affected by SEAD, they force enemy not to open their AA when you are bombing. Another neat thing is to use it with your ASF as you might fly into enemy AA net trying to secure the kill. And players are more prone to turn on their AA against ASF, but more wary against bombers/atgm planes knowing SEAD usually escort them. So your SEAD, especially stealthy ones, can score a few kills there.
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Re: To SEAD, or not to SEAD

Postby Kirill_GV001 » Mon 14 May 2018 18:49

The best thing is to learn how to play with AND without SEAD. If I can, I always take a SEAD plane, but if I want to build a deck that can't take one, then I don't. In these situations, I either make sure to play with someone who has a SEAD plane in his deck ( :mrgreen: ) or at least limit my use of planes.
Fun fact : against gun armed radar AAA and IR SAM, you can use rocket planes as ghetto SEAD. I did kill a couple units with the Soviet MiG-21bis and even once with the J-21 Jastreb.

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Re: To SEAD, or not to SEAD

Postby Nerdfish » Tue 15 May 2018 05:58

it's always good to have voodoo fly ahead of the f111c to distract AA. in many cases both will get away, downside is the cost.

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Re: To SEAD, or not to SEAD

Postby varis » Fri 18 May 2018 11:55

Suppressive fire, I guess. Without any SEAD the better players might get aggressive and turn the AA on. You want that? :)

Hangs together with rising the micro costs for good players too.
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Re: To SEAD, or not to SEAD

Postby James-Bond » Sat 19 May 2018 02:28

Very good replys everyone taking it on-board
I like the tip of flying sead with asf to finish planes.

Ive been using SEAD a bit more lately.
Think its very useful vs Armoured decks.
(Need to chip away at AA & Discourage them pushing)

I still not a Pr0 at air micro can get intense coordinating everything. & losing a plane is depressing lol.

Advise, for Eastern bloc. Polish or East German SEAD plane? I currently use East German.
And usually sweep across the front line so i can pull back toward my units incase enemy ASF appear. I have my own ASF nearby for air dectection & to respond if needed.

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Re: To SEAD, or not to SEAD

Postby James-Bond » Tue 22 May 2018 00:20

Update:
Been using the East German SEAD instead of Polish. Polish version Ripple fires 2 missiles at a time. Rearm time is twice as long.

Very useful for attacking an Armoured opponent. Even if its just destroys SPAAG. Can allow your helicopter more breathing room if they continue to push etc

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Re: To SEAD, or not to SEAD

Postby varis » Tue 22 May 2018 12:34

ASF and helicopters are still used by good players?

Well, SEAD can be a problem to my armored-SPAAG. Loss of 50 or 100 pts time to time, and often plenty of targets for SEAD. Unprotected tanks cost more. Then again the question was with good players :)

Good anti-SEAD skills can make a world of a difference.
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Re: To SEAD, or not to SEAD

Postby Razzmann » Tue 22 May 2018 14:08

varis wrote:ASF and helicopters are still used by good players?

What makes you think otherwise?

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Re: To SEAD, or not to SEAD

Postby varis » Tue 22 May 2018 15:31

Razzmann wrote:
varis wrote:ASF and helicopters are still used by good players?

What makes you think otherwise?


Maybe not that much - a couple of forum comments/threads over time and the very occasional game where high levels of skill are obvious (don't go hunting those that often). Hence asking to verify :)

My impression has been that both have been downplayed by the meta for a good while. I do find some uses for rocket copters and I've been smashed by fighters some times but that's not much counterevidence.
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