Realism Help! Infantry Squad Ammo

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Re: Realism Help! Infantry Squad Ammo

Postby Bryan » Wed 14 May 2014 15:15

Its really dependent on country.
For example the Vietnam era SBO (skeleton battle order) for Singapore during my father's time could carry I think 6, 30 round 5.56mm magazines for the M16 and one in the weapon.

And in the old 9 men sections, only 2 Armbrust disposable LAWs were carried.

The Machine gunners were armed with the Ultimax 100 and had the same loadout as the M16 armed riflemen.

84mm RR section had 4-5 men per 84 and had I think 20 rounds between them, the rounds range from non-lethal marker to Anti Personnel. This one I am not sure, but I had a family friend that was the weapons platoon leader in the 80s.

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Re: Realism Help! Infantry Squad Ammo

Postby CrazySheepNyou » Wed 14 May 2014 19:28

For me:
(15 men squad)
1 soldier carries 5 mags+1 in the gun=6 mags<><><>1 mag= 30 rounds, so 6 mags=180 bullets, so 1 soldier can carry 180 rounds

in a rifleman squad we have 15 soldiers, so 15x180 2700 rounds, but we have 1 lmg soldier and 1 at soldier,so 2700-180-180=
2340 rifle/smg rounds per squad


1 soldier carries the lmg (i think that just him carries his rounds) so 1 soldier carries 2 lmg mags/belts+1 in the gun=3 lmg mags/belts<><><>1 lmg mag/belt=100 rounds, so 3=300 bullets, so 300 lmg rounds per squad


1 soldier carries the at gun (atgw,rocket laucher or law). 7 men in the squad gonna carry 1 round each and the at guy carries 2, so 7+2+1 in the gun=10 <><><>1 round=1 so 10x1 =10, so 10 at rounds per squad

in 10 man squad is just change the 15(number of soldiers) for 10


(5 men squad)(AT/engineer squad)

1 soldier carries 180,so there are 5 men-1 at carrier soldier=4 soldier x 180 rounds= 720 rifle/smg rounds per 5 man squad


1 soldier carries the AT gun(law,rocket launcher,atgw and napalm law) and all off them carry 2 rounds,so=2 x 5 + 1 round in the gun, so 11 rounds per squad

In some engineer squads we have the flamethrower (just the carrier brings his own ammo) <><><>1 flamethrower fuel tank has 4 liters<><><>1 round = 100 milliliters=4000 milliliters per fuel tank so 400 flamethrower rounds per squad


(5 men squad)(reccon squad,sniper squad,command squad)


1 soldier carries 180,so there are 5 men-1 at/sniper/lmg carrier soldier=4 soldier x 180 rounds= 720 rifle/smg rounds per 5 man squad



1 soldier carries the lmg (i think that just him carries his rounds) so 1 soldier carries 2 lmg mags/belts+1 in the gun=3 lmg mags/belts<><><>1 lmg mag/belt=100 rounds, so 3=300 bullets, so 300 lmg rounds per squad


1 soldier carries the at gun (law). 2 men in the squad gonna carry 1 round each and the at guy carries 2, so 2+2+1 in the gun=5 <><><>1 round=1 so 5x1 =15, so 5 at rounds per reccon squad


in 5 men sniper squad,1 carries the sniper<><><>3 sniper mag+1in the gun=4 sniper mag<><><>1 sniper mag=10 rounds,so 4 x 10 +40 rounds per 5 man sniper squad


(2 men atgw/AA squad)

1 soldier carries 180 rounds, and just him carries the gun, so 180 per 2 men squad

1 soldier carries the laucher gun, and the missile is really big, so 1 missile per soldier= 2+ in the gun= 3 missile per 2 men squad

we have also the 2 men sniper squad, so 3 sniper mag+1 in the gun=4 sniper mag<><><>1 sniper mag=10 rounds (5 in the .50 [recce]),so 4 x 10=40 sniper rounds (20 in the .50 [recce]) so 40 sniper (20 in the .50 [recce]) rounds per 2 men squad


this sniper squad carries also and AT gun, and that are 2 rounds per soldie+1 in the gun=3 AT rounds in a 2 men sniper squad
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Re: Realism Help! Infantry Squad Ammo

Postby Mandolin » Wed 14 May 2014 19:42

The W:AB Noob wrote:
Mandolin wrote:__7.62 NATO: 1400 rounds

Well that depends on if this is pre-1980
Just throwing it out there

Mandolin wrote:Well, you've got 10 guys.

US Army = 8
USMC = 13
USSR Motorized = 8
It really depends on the army, so what RaduM really wants. But note:
RaduM wrote:For an 8-man Infantry Squad with the following composition : 6 x Riflemen + 1 x Squad Machinegunner + 1 x Squad AT Gunner, how many rifle magazines (per soldier), how many Squad MG magazines (per squad) and how many Squad AT Rockets (per squad) can be reasonably carried at maximum?

Well, Wargame has 10 man squads

Mandolin wrote:AT:
Reloadable: 8 rounds
Disposable: 10

I'm looking for a definite answer on this but 8 re-loadable rounds are a bit hard to believe.
Soviets had a 2-round pack for the gunner, and a three-round backpack for the AG. Three extras split between the rest of the quad sound good to me, since you need to be able to sustain combat for a while

There is no say that even two people can carry 10 AT4's meaning that each is carrying 74 pounds more than what they already carry!
They only get one or two AT4s each. The entire point of disposable rockets is everyone gets one If you hand out M72s, they're lighter and at least one guy can carry 2 or 3.

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Re: Realism Help! Infantry Squad Ammo

Postby Liare » Wed 14 May 2014 21:25

Belts come in 100 round and 250 round varieties, standard issue here for Home Guard units was 8 mags in the kit and MG belts if at all possible, the MG3 is a hungry thing and needs to be fed regularly as much as 2000 rounds across a 10 man unit plus rifle ammunition would not be uncommon, especially as the G3 and MG3 shared ammo type so there was a incentive for the infantryman to carry machinegun ammo with him and if you look at exercise pictures and the like you can easily end up with 5000-8000 rounds being carried into" combat" when expecting to fight from entrenched positions, there is an infantryman's saying that "there's not so much as too much ammo" and given half the choice most infantry squads would lug a truck with ammunition around if they could get away with it.

the only people left without MG belts would be the CG assistants, who instead carried 2 rounds in "luggage cases" depicted here, load depending on the individual though you can get two on your pack and still function as a infantryman when required, possibly leaving hands free for two more.
http://www.clash-of-steel.com/gallery/pages/full/MUR_brit_army_weapons.jpg

in a actual war, LAW's would have been carried if the local armory would part with them, it's amazing how much equipment a infantryman can drag around with him to be honest, though the sane ones will drop their packs off for combat operations, or simply leave them in the APC with the rest of the goodies.

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