From our perspective, the flavour were the cheap Jäger, both in armoured and mech, being the main infantry (unless you speak of the 15pt Panzergrenadiere which were outright broken). And especially since (Gebirgs)jäger are more suited for shock infantry and Panzergrenadiere more for regular, we decided to do this roleswap.
Like I wrote, the Gebirgsjäger change is not final yet. From our perspective, France should provied the shock and fast infantry while Germany the line and tracked infantry. Gebirgsjäger will hopefully fill the role of city brawlers, once we have decided how to buff 15men squads.
FoxZz wrote:The Jager/PZF44 issue could have been solved a lot more easilly and realistically by giving Panzergrens and FSJ 70' Carl Gustav M2 and nerfing the Pzf44 to 15 AP, then the Jager could have been buffed to 10 points.
Possibly, but we thought that Panzergrenadiere were better suited for line infantry, as this also allows better use of the IFVs, which were pretty much ignored (besides the Marder 2) because combined with the rather expensive Panzergrenadiere, they were just not cost effective enough.
FoxZz wrote:Other meaningfull changes could have been adding the Marder 2 to Deckunsgruppe, some price buff in the EC vehicle line, some plane tweaks (ex : rocket plane), some buff for the AMX30 line and price buff for the Leo 2 line.
We excluded base Panzergrenadiere from the Marder 2 exactly for the same reason why we did not open Deckugnsgruppe to it: We did not want the vehicle become too cheap in order to still have a reason for players to use the Marder 1 line.
AMX-30 line and plane tweaks are certainly very reasonable, but we wanted to focus on the more important changes for now. Stuff like this will certainly be reviewed once we have a rather balanced version so we can look more into these types of units and specializations.
But since the gerbirgsjager will mostly be mounted on Fuchs, they will have the same role as the french fast shock troops.
Considering the high price of Pzgrens, I see several solution : making Pzgrens better : 825m Pzf3, CGM2 for the base version, Marder 1A2 and 1A3 with medium optics, Marder 2 at 2HE, would make them better bang for the buck.
Then why not cheaper IFVs, like 10 point Marder 1 ? Could be a flavour of W.Ger, would actually make sense. Pzgrens also have acces to 5 point transport.
This would also solve the fire support problem of the deck.
Furthermore, IRL Panzergrens had a very specific training around mechanized warfare and were an infantry really specialised around interaction with armor and armored combat, which made them quiet a unique and powerfull force which warrant the shock trait, shock as very proficient in their field. Especially on Cold War battlefiels with such a focus on mechanised warfare. That's why turning them into a mainly anti-inf force for city brawling doesn't fit, would be more the Jager role with an infantry platoon relying on several MGs to gain the fire superiority rather than vehicles.
At last, cheap infantry in IFV is provided by Chasseurs in the very decent AMX10P and AMX13VTT, Chasseurs in 10P is already rarely used, with what you're proposing, there would be no reason to take them.
The current roster make sense :
- cheap anti inf line : Jager
- multi role line : Chasseurs
- polyvalent shock mech and armored : Panzergrens
- fast shock/light inf for specialised decks : Legion and Rima
- Resilient SF : Commando Marine
- High DPS SF : FSJs
It's perfect, why change it ? Just fix the Jager issue, the CGM2 solution is the perfect one, both realistic and gameplay wise.
On Marder 2, the decision of keeping room for the base Marder make sense, but then, imho, they should be turned into a rare but very capable prototype. So back to 1 card, 2 HE, eventually armor buff and small price nerf.
I'm glad you'll consider further changes in the future when the balance is set up and I look foward to that.
PS : Imho the Celtic could easilly go down to 60 points. 65 points is still high for a 4HP, single role chopper.