Realistic TOE for the USSR

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Re: Realistic TOE for the USSR

Postby Tharhof » Sat 11 Oct 2014 19:36

kiheerSEDMAN wrote:Well, all my sources (admittedly mostly US evaluations on Soviet tech) are very vague on USSR formations. For example, they'll list armor numbers but simply say T-64/72/80 instead of actually listing specific models.

Does anyone have some detailed ones for 1990/92 and 1980/85?


Warsaw Pact Order of Battle 1989 - Lists most units and the location of their HQs as of June 1989.

FM100-2-3 - TO&Es of Soviet MR and Tank formations.

Might be difficult to get anything specifically for 1990/1992.

Edit: Didn't see that FM100-2-3 had already been posted.
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Re: Realistic TOE for the USSR

Postby KattiValk » Sat 11 Oct 2014 22:30

Tharhof wrote:Warsaw Pact Order of Battle 1989 - Lists most units and the location of their HQs as of June 1989.
Hey I haven't seen this one before. What does it mean by the references to TOE numbers? I can't find the "TOE #4" the page is pointing me to. :)

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Re: Realistic TOE for the USSR

Postby Tharhof » Sat 11 Oct 2014 23:00

kiheerSEDMAN wrote:Hey I haven't seen this one before. What does it mean by the references to TOE numbers? I can't find the "TOE #4" the page is pointing me to. :)


It's at the bottom of the page. So if it says "see TOE #4 T-64B, BMP-2, BTR-60, SA-8", then just replace the Tank, BMP, and BTR entries with T-64B, BMP-2, and BTR-60 respectively:

4. MOTORIZED RIFLE DIVISION (same as Guards MRD): 13294+ personnel, 220 Tanks, 160 BMP, 385 BTR
a. Divisional HQ: 245 personnel, 3 BTR's, 42 Trucks, 6 SA-7/14/16
b. 2 Motorized Rifle Regiments (BTR): 2523 personnel, 156 BTR per regiment - see TO&E #10 below
c. 1 Motorized Rifle Regiment (BMP): 2424 personnel, 142 BMP - see TO&E #11 below
d. 1 Tank Regiment: 1143 personnel, 94 Tanks - see TO&E #12 below
e. 1 Artillery Regiment: 1062 personnel, 48 2S3 (24 per battalion), 18 BM-21 (may have 36 D-20 in lieu of 2S3)
f. 1 SAM Regiment: 504 personnel, 20 SA-6/8/11/15 (4 per battery), 21 SA-7/14/16
g. 1 SSM Battalion: 170 personnel, 4 FROG-7/SS-21
h. 1 Anti-Tank Battalion: 195 personnel, 12 T-12 AT guns, 9 BRDM-3
i. 1 Recon Battalion: 340 personnel, 3 BRM, 12 BRDM-2, 12 BMP, 6 Tanks, 4 BRDM-2rkh
j. 1 Engineer Battalion: 395 personnel, 8 TMM, 6 GSP, 18 PMP, 12 K-61, 4 BTM, 2 MTK, 3 GMZ
k. 1 Helicopter Squadron: 200 personnel, 6 MI-24, 6 MI-8, 6 MI-2 (not in all divisions, none in NSWP)
l. 1 Independent Tank Battalion: 51 Tanks (not in all MRD's)


Sadly, the list isn't very specific about the equipment used by Soviet divisions outside GDR, Czechoslovakia and Poland.
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Re: Realistic TOE for the USSR

Postby Alexander » Tue 14 Oct 2014 10:03

GSFG 1990-1994 in wargame:

Tanks - ob.219R, RV (ob.447 return in USSR late 1980);

Inf - Motostrelki, BTR-60,70,80;

IFV - Ob. 765, 675;

SPAD - 2K22, 2A6;

SA - 9К35, 9К37, 9К34, 9K38;

Artillery: 2S1, 2S3, 2S4, 2S5, 2S7;

Air: MiG-29 other variants (Su-24, Su-27 based in Poland) Su-17M-3,4, Mig-27M,K.

GSFG 1985

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In 1990 Ministry of defence USSR was conducted, the decision on the re-equipment of tank troops in Germany on tank T-80U(ob.219AS) and BMP-3(ob.688-b). But the collapse of the Soviet Union did not allow to implement this solution.

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Re: Realistic TOE for the USSR

Postby MrRed » Thu 16 Oct 2014 12:15

Search the forrums. I've posted spme general formarions a few times. Look in the revised campaign mod. In the first few pages i posted the makings of several regiments.

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Re: Realistic TOE for the USSR

Postby terror51247 » Thu 20 Nov 2014 01:00

I found this some time ago:
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Soviet tank inventory in eastern europe in 1990.I dont know if this is right
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Re: Realistic TOE for the USSR

Postby Bryan » Thu 27 Nov 2014 05:58

I believe that in order to realistically replicate a TO&E for the Soviets. You ought to use one single type of tank. For example, using all T-72Bs and T-72B1s maybe with some T-72B Obr. 1987, I don 't think they utilised multiple models in regiments so there would not be T-80s with T-72s.

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Re: Realistic TOE for the USSR

Postby Aikmofobi » Thu 27 Nov 2014 11:33

Bryan wrote:I believe that in order to realistically replicate a TO&E for the Soviets. You ought to use one single type of tank. For example, using all T-72Bs and T-72B1s maybe with some T-72B Obr. 1987, I don 't think they utilised multiple models in regiments so there would not be T-80s with T-72s.

I make a lot of decks in this style. They're really fun to play against similar decks.

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