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HE3 and HE5 vs troops in buildings. What is better? And why?

Posted: Wed 7 Jan 2015 11:52
by ural
HE3(ASU-85) and HE5 (SU-122-54) vs troops in buildings. What is better and why?

Hello. I spent a lot of time, trying to figure out what is better - ASU-85 or SU-122-54. Now i know that ASU-85 is ultimate light direct fire support machine (in medium to heavy caliber class), with unbelievable economical efficiency both against infantry and light vehicles (Hello Mr. Bradley! Hello Mr. Marder! From Siberia with love!) :mrgreen:

It is nearly equal to BMP-685 (BMP-3 based light tank with 100mm gun and AP11) in AT role, and much better than it in AP role. It is much better than SU-122-54 in any role.

But there is last question. Combat efficiency against FORTIFIED infantry in buildings! And i have a lot of doubts in this case. I think that SU-122-54 must be much better (larger caliber - 122 vs 85mm, much bigger warhead, more HE - 5 vs 3). But i dont have ANY information on this part of Wargame mechanics.

So help me, please. :lol:

Re: HE3 and HE5 vs troops in buildings. What is better? And

Posted: Wed 7 Jan 2015 15:05
by keebs63
Is this a serious question?

Re: HE3 and HE5 vs troops in buildings. What is better? And

Posted: Wed 7 Jan 2015 20:57
by CloakandDagger
keebs63 wrote:Is this a serious question?


Yes. RoF vs HE.

Re: HE3 and HE5 vs troops in buildings. What is better? And

Posted: Wed 7 Jan 2015 20:59
by ural
keebs63 wrote:Is this a serious question?

I think so... ;)

Re: HE3 and HE5 vs troops in buildings. What is better? And

Posted: Wed 7 Jan 2015 21:36
by keebs63
CloakandDagger wrote:
keebs63 wrote:Is this a serious question?


Yes. RoF vs HE.

I asked that because the answer is very simple: RoF x HE = effectiveness or you could do RoF vs percentage of damage reduction for inf in buildings = effectiveness. Honestly, if you passed middle school math courses, you should be able to figure out these equations...

Re: HE3 and HE5 vs troops in buildings. What is better? And

Posted: Thu 8 Jan 2015 10:08
by ural
keebs63 wrote:
CloakandDagger wrote:
keebs63 wrote:Is this a serious question?


Yes. RoF vs HE.

I asked that because the answer is very simple: RoF x HE = effectiveness or you could do RoF vs percentage of damage reduction for inf in buildings = effectiveness. Honestly, if you passed middle school math courses, you should be able to figure out these equations...

You are brave man. Lol... :mrgreen:

Re: HE3 and HE5 vs troops in buildings. What is better? And

Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2015 08:55
by ural
Help! Help! Help! :mrgreen:

Re: HE3 and HE5 vs troops in buildings. What is better? And

Posted: Mon 19 Jan 2015 08:58
by another505
i bet raven will come lol

Re: HE3 and HE5 vs troops in buildings. What is better? And

Posted: Mon 2 Feb 2015 22:09
by Dennos
keebs63 wrote:
CloakandDagger wrote:
keebs63 wrote:Is this a serious question?


Yes. RoF vs HE.

I asked that because the answer is very simple: RoF x HE = effectiveness or you could do RoF vs percentage of damage reduction for inf in buildings = effectiveness. Honestly, if you passed middle school math courses, you should be able to figure out these equations...


Buy a brain. OP guy does not know that inf in buildings gets a damage reduction in percents. I didn't know either before the latest patch. It might just as well be something like: Inf in buildings takes -3 HE damage. And in this case, Su-122 would be better with 5 HE.

Don't pretend that the answer to this problem is a priori clear.

Re: HE3 and HE5 vs troops in buildings. What is better? And

Posted: Mon 2 Feb 2015 23:03
by Ghostweed
keebs63 wrote:
CloakandDagger wrote:
keebs63 wrote:Is this a serious question?


Yes. RoF vs HE.

I asked that because the answer is very simple: RoF x HE = effectiveness or you could do RoF vs percentage of damage reduction for inf in buildings = effectiveness. Honestly, if you passed middle school math courses, you should be able to figure out these equations...


wow, u are such an arogant douche.. :roll:

OP stated "But i dont have ANY information on this part of Wargame mechanics" and u come here trying to be what? Learn to read, learn to think befor u post some crappy and elitist piece of ****. No wonder that many ppl complain about toxic community when ppl like u do this...

ural wrote:But there is last question. Combat efficiency against FORTIFIED infantry in buildings! And i have a lot of doubts in this case. I think that SU-122-54 must be much better (larger caliber - 122 vs 85mm, much bigger warhead, more HE - 5 vs 3). But i dont have ANY information on this part of Wargame mechanics.


caliber and warhead does not matter as they are abstracted by HE value. Also there is a 70% dmg reduction to fortified infantry in city and 40% in forest and hedgerows. The equation looks like HE x ROF x 0,7 (0,4) = dmg taken per minute. ;)