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Stealth Kodiak WTF

Posted: Sat 23 Apr 2016 03:58
by Hakime
If I'm not mistaken getting a stealth Kodiak in early game raped US players because they have no stealth detection in defcon 3 and can't kill it when it's building in their base. This is completly backwards chasing an invisible unit hoping it doesnt finish buildings. This needs to be changed to a more expensive price or just added under a protocol. Or make it visible when it's building? You just see buildings getting built but no kodiak lol.

Re: Stealth Kodiak WTF

Posted: Sat 23 Apr 2016 09:20
by Opticalx
Its fine, just destroy all the buildings they make ez. they take way more dmg when building. This tactic is a noobish strat that only works on less experienced players. Not to mention he needs to build an outpost before being able to build anything else.

Re: Stealth Kodiak WTF

Posted: Sat 23 Apr 2016 14:14
by pathatas85
yes, that's total sht tactic :D

cartel - jackal
chimera - ninja
usa - little bird.

But who expect it and send all this units to all refineries. One guy did this to my refineries outside the base.
With chimera I hate defense. they cant build turrets near refinery :S, allways expensive outpost. I just don't have gold.
how can make fast defense with chimera aa, at, and stealth units and protect all places on the map.

Re: Stealth Kodiak WTF

Posted: Sat 23 Apr 2016 14:21
by Gnougnou
Opticalx wrote:Its fine

No it's not. You might destroy the buildings but you can't reach the kodiak before defcon 2. That means it can just block your ref and you can't do anything, because USA bunkers don't attack buildings by default.

This has to be fixed by putting this upgrade in the SHIELD protocol.


pathatas85 wrote:With chimera I hate defense. they cant build turrets near refinery :S, allways expensive outpost. I just don't have gold.
how can make fast defense with chimera aa, at, and stealth units and protect all places on the map.

You can't. You have to either rush to impose map control, or roll the dice and hope for the best. Chimera is the worst faction imo unless the enemy let you alone, then you can be very annoying with tigres and termies. But Chimera early is a nightmare, because of what I already told somewhere : you cannot use alu for defense and oil for attack anymore, you have to either choose between making pumas or lost all your money in turrets. While USA can easily protect a ref with a 800$ bunker, 1000$ for Cartel.

Re: Stealth Kodiak WTF

Posted: Sat 23 Apr 2016 14:24
by pathatas85
Gnougnou wrote:
Opticalx wrote:Its fine

No it's not. You might destroy the buildings but you can't reach the kodiak before defcon 2. That means it can just block your ref and you can't do anything, because USA bunkers don't attack buildings by default.

This has to be fixed by making this upgrade in the SHIELD protocol.


what about chimera ??
all constructions outside the base need outposts, cant even build the turrets for protection.

I hate chimera defense early game. Cant build turrets near refineries, only with expensive outposts 3x2250 gold just for outposts. no aa soldier, no at soldier.
He used this tactic against me as chimera because knew I will have not strong defense outside the base

Re: Stealth Kodiak WTF

Posted: Sat 23 Apr 2016 14:54
by pathatas85
You can't. You have to either rush to impose map control, or roll the dice and hope for the best. Chimera is the worst faction imo unless the enemy let you alone, then you can be very annoying with tigres and termies. But Chimera early is a nightmare, because of what I already told somewhere : you cannot use alu for defense and oil for attack anymore, you have to either choose between making pumas or lost all your money in turrets. While USA can easily protect a ref with a 800$ bunker, 1000$ for Cartel


I like chimera, has very nice units. Rhino is cool, buratino, Tigres, Terminator
But many players just rush rush and rush.
Exactly as you said, when they let you alone for some time is much better game.
Cartel and usa, they can just make defense with soldiers and spam income buildings and they will destroy you in late game.
With cartel ? no problem, don't need even upgrade. Build barracks near each refinery, mass soldiers for protection with one turret.
Chimera ? cant even build barracks without outpost :S so you spend gold for outposts which are useless in spear protocol without repairing.

u built outposts but you have no gold for tanks, and usa will come with cheap humwees and soldiers and you have outposts outside the base, but your base nothing there.
Few snipers turret ? 20 javelins will wipe them out in few seconds

Re: Stealth Kodiak WTF

Posted: Sat 23 Apr 2016 15:15
by torinus
Can some of you expert Chimera player please help this man learn to play his faction.

Re: Stealth Kodiak WTF

Posted: Sat 23 Apr 2016 17:20
by Gnougnou
torinus wrote:Can some of you expert Chimera player please help this man learn to play his faction.

I'm really willing to learn too. I really wonder how you can protect your base against scorpio+smoke rush or humvee+javelin/marines rush on your outbased ref.

Anyway this topic is about that stupid Kodiak upgrade that is pure non-sense without any protocol.

Re: Stealth Kodiak WTF

Posted: Sat 23 Apr 2016 18:56
by pathatas85
torinus wrote:Can some of you expert Chimera player please help this man learn to play his faction.



I don't need pro players I learn myself. I don't like them :D every time I played against good players, they just spam cheap early game units or infantry.
Just brainless spam and early game harassing. hams noob4you or what his name, we were in the same team. Shit he spammed almost million soldiers in the middle, it was disgusting.
Predator too, and other players. Just total cheap units spam, as fast as possible.
I think, they have more clicks like in diablo 3 game.

I won many times with chimera with fast pumas, and harassing his builder before he could build barracks and start infantry rush for example.
Now I lost one game, map with 2 islands where lie heroes. I didn't want to fast rush, but with chimera is impossible get to the island fast.

Maybe should have redalert unit bullfrog and shoot infantry there. They get transport helicopter in sword protocol :S:S:S
cartel just build vehicle bay and upgrade barracks and can produce superhind or usa fast with dustoff

Re: Stealth Kodiak WTF

Posted: Sat 23 Apr 2016 19:15
by pathatas85
Gnougnou wrote:
torinus wrote:Can some of you expert Chimera player please help this man learn to play his faction.

I'm really willing to learn too. I really wonder how you can protect your base against scorpio+smoke rush or humvee+javelin/marines rush on your outbased ref.

Anyway this topic is about that stupid Kodiak upgrade that is pure non-sense without any protocol.



Yes, I mentioned chimera because my refineries were not so good protected.
and 3v3 you cant just harass all 3 players in early game.
I don't know what to do first, protect refineries ? no tanks, build tanks ? , ok and soon will come humwees with soldiers, pumas are dead in second.
I don't know how they play with chimera, but I just cant do all, protect refineries and build some tanks and many soldiers as usa or cartel.

just outpost with one turret costs 3650 gold x 2 or 3 ? how many humwees and javelins usa will send you with that gold