Will there be any new divisions to be added into the open-beta ?

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Re: Will there be any new divisions to be added into the open-beta ?

Postby Mike » Sun 9 Apr 2017 01:08

Markenzwieback wrote:Give the Axis side the KwK and Pak 43s back already. I want to break open all those AVREs and Jumbos to spread some PTSD among Allied tankers! :twisted:

(And I actually liked Osttruppen openers...)


Osttruppen lack AT, right? I rolled them back in the beta with US rifles and HTs since they couldn't touch the HTs.
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Re: Will there be any new divisions to be added into the open-beta ?

Postby Markenzwieback » Sun 9 Apr 2017 02:32

Mike wrote:
Markenzwieback wrote:Give the Axis side the KwK and Pak 43s back already. I want to break open all those AVREs and Jumbos to spread some PTSD among Allied tankers! :twisted:

(And I actually liked Osttruppen openers...)


Osttruppen lack AT, right? I rolled them back in the beta with US rifles and HTs since they couldn't touch the HTs.

You still got two squads of Osttruppen per US rifle squad. Combine that with a leader or two and you can hold out pretty long. But yeah, the infantry divisions weakness was early AT, you had to rely on Panzerschreck squads.

On a related note: Didn't HTs loose their .50cals though and have 30s now?
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Re: Will there be any new divisions to be added into the open-beta ?

Postby TankHunter » Sun 9 Apr 2017 02:53

Cullen's Hound wrote:
raventhefuhrer wrote:IMO it should be a high priority to add at least an Allied Airborne and a German Infantry Division to the beta. This way each side has one of every type of division - Armored, Infantry, and Airborne. Until we have that, balance discussions are kind of moot... we don't have an apples-to-apples comparison because the two sides aren't equal. Allies don't have an Airborne deck, Axis don't have an Infantry deck.

The 91st was Heer not Luftwaffe, it was trained as a Grenadier division. It was not Fallschirmjager in terms of equipment, morale, or training and not equivalent to allied airborne.


91st was really an average/slightly subpar Grenadier division with some attached Fallschirmjaeger from the 6th FJR. In-game it shouldn't be considered an airborne division, but they do get more access to aircraft than a normal division to show Luftwaffe ties, which puts them somewhere between an airborne and infantry division in-game.

On the combat effectiveness of the 91. Luftlande:
The troops from 6th FJR fought very well vs the 101st at Carentan, but the Grenadiers from the 91. Luftlande were not so capable, with an entire infantry regiment being lost at Carentan(just in the taking of Carentan, as they didn't take part in the counterattack like 6th FJR did). 91. Luftlande was essentially destroyed 2 weeks into the fighting, before the Allies even broke out of Normandy.
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Re: Will there be any new divisions to be added into the open-beta ?

Postby Cullen's Hound » Sun 9 Apr 2017 03:13

Also the 12th is mechanized infantry, not armored.

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Postby D-M » Sun 9 Apr 2017 03:54

I just hope the 716. will be in the next patch. :x
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Re: Will there be any new divisions to be added into the open-beta ?

Postby Helwyr » Sun 9 Apr 2017 05:01

[EUG]MadMat wrote:There will.

I will LITERALLY sell you my 2nd born child if you guys put in 3CID next

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Re: Will there be any new divisions to be added into the open-beta ?

Postby HaryPL » Sun 9 Apr 2017 19:53

Markenzwieback wrote:
Mike wrote:
Markenzwieback wrote:Give the Axis side the KwK and Pak 43s back already. I want to break open all those AVREs and Jumbos to spread some PTSD among Allied tankers! :twisted:

(And I actually liked Osttruppen openers...)


Osttruppen lack AT, right? I rolled them back in the beta with US rifles and HTs since they couldn't touch the HTs.

You still got two squads of Osttruppen per US rifle squad. Combine that with a leader or two and you can hold out pretty long. But yeah, the infantry divisions weakness was early AT, you had to rely on Panzerschreck squads.

On a related note: Didn't HTs loose their .50cals though and have 30s now?


M3 (Bazooka rifles, Engineers) has M1919; M3A1 (LMG Rifles, Command squad etc) & M3 Scout (scout transport B phase) still show .50cal.
Goddamn things are pain in the ass to handle in early game; you can easily make some bocage areas basically impassable with their help.

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Re: Will there be any new divisions to be added into the open-beta ?

Postby FrangibleCover » Sun 9 Apr 2017 20:32

HaryPL wrote: M3A1 (LMG Rifles, Command squad etc) & M3 Scout (scout transport B phase) still show .50cal.

Oh, so that's why you might buy LMG Rifles. I'm still uncomfortable about infantry with no AT, call it a habit.
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Re: Will there be any new divisions to be added into the open-beta ?

Postby HaryPL » Sun 9 Apr 2017 20:51

Um, I think you buy them to hold the towns?
Coupled with Halftrack spam behind them they make bocage a impassable barrier, at least without ridiculous investment in effort.

Infantry with no AT is somewhat commonplace in SD.. and even one with AT is easily rotflstomped by some spare vehicles if you manage to put fire on them. Humbers and 0.50cals are nightmares for Wheraboos.

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Re: Will there be any new divisions to be added into the open-beta ?

Postby Mike » Mon 10 Apr 2017 02:41

Markenzwieback wrote:
Mike wrote:
Markenzwieback wrote:Give the Axis side the KwK and Pak 43s back already. I want to break open all those AVREs and Jumbos to spread some PTSD among Allied tankers! :twisted:

(And I actually liked Osttruppen openers...)


Osttruppen lack AT, right? I rolled them back in the beta with US rifles and HTs since they couldn't touch the HTs.

You still got two squads of Osttruppen per US rifle squad. Combine that with a leader or two and you can hold out pretty long. But yeah, the infantry divisions weakness was early AT, you had to rely on Panzerschreck squads.

On a related note: Didn't HTs lose their .50 cals though and have 30s now?

I never had a problem is Osttruppen in the beta playing as 3rd Armored. I just had so many HTs that they couldn't touch. When the roles were reversed, I liked bringing along the French light tank and microing it around.
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