76 mm vs 17 pounder performance

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76 mm vs 17 pounder performance

Postby kvnrthr » Sun 16 Apr 2017 03:18

Not going to start asking for balance or stat changes here but I'm curious about why the 17 pounder is immensely superior to the 76 mm.

The 17 pounder gun approaches the Panther's in lethality with 17 AP to the far lower 13 AP of the 76 mm. Adding insult to injury, it enjoys even more accuracy.

Is this correct historically? I know the 17 pdr gun was superior to the 76 mm in AP but my impressions were the difference was insignificant at combat ranges against the likely opponents. Is that incorrect? I don't think the 17 pounder had any significant advantage in accuracy however, probably was less accurate with sabot rounds. Are the current values fair to both guns?
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Re: 76 mm vs 17 pounder performance

Postby orcbuster » Sun 16 Apr 2017 03:58

This is largely correct with the ammo available in Normandy.
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Re: 76 mm vs 17 pounder performance

Postby Killertomato » Sun 16 Apr 2017 04:57

76mm M1 was never even close to 17-pounder in terms of AP. 76mm HVAP (late-war, rare as hell) was only as good vs. RHA as straight AP from the 17-pounder. More exotic shells just magnify the difference.

I doubt it was more accurate, though. Definitely less so with sabot.
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Re: 76 mm vs 17 pounder performance

Postby orcbuster » Sun 16 Apr 2017 05:44

17pdr Sabot only had a remote chance of hitting up to 500m but outperformed everything out there at the time in terms of penetration.
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Re: 76 mm vs 17 pounder performance

Postby Mister Maf » Sun 16 Apr 2017 06:41

orcbuster wrote:17pdr Sabot only had a remote chance of hitting up to 500m but outperformed everything out there at the time in terms of penetration.

Perhaps have a third ammo type on the 17pdr that has higher AP and lower accuracy with a max range of 500m.
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Re: 76 mm vs 17 pounder performance

Postby Iris » Sun 16 Apr 2017 09:18

From the US Army's assessment of the 3 guns / rounds:
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The 76mm should be the better overall gun with accuracy, rate of fire, etc. The 17lb-er should be a good tank-hunter kind of gun for killing German armor with higher penetration stats.

75mm / 76mm should be better against infantry, vehicles, and medium tanks.

17lb-er should be better against medium and heavier vehicles at rang in terms of penetration chances.

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Re: 76 mm vs 17 pounder performance

Postby Bougnas » Sun 16 Apr 2017 09:35

Doesn't the M1 76mm AT gun have 14AP ingame? Maybe the 76mm should be pushed to 14 AP on tanks as well.
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Re: 76 mm vs 17 pounder performance

Postby Killertomato » Sun 16 Apr 2017 09:44

Mister Maf wrote:Perhaps have a third ammo type on the 17pdr that has higher AP and lower accuracy with a max range of 500m.


No need for the max range, just give it incredibly low accuracy.

The AP would be insane, though, I think the only thing in the game with superior AP would be the Tiger II/Jagdpanther, and even with PzGr 40/43 the advantage wouldn't be very big at all. It was quite a round. Damn shame they couldn't solve the sabot separation issues until after the war...
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Re: 76 mm vs 17 pounder performance

Postby Mitchverr » Sun 16 Apr 2017 10:15

Killertomato wrote:
Mister Maf wrote:Perhaps have a third ammo type on the 17pdr that has higher AP and lower accuracy with a max range of 500m.


No need for the max range, just give it incredibly low accuracy.

The AP would be insane, though, I think the only thing in the game with superior AP would be the Tiger II/Jagdpanther, and even with PzGr 40/43 the advantage wouldn't be very big at all. It was quite a round. Damn shame they couldn't solve the sabot separation issues until after the war...



TBF a basic 17 pounder as is has an accuracy of 27% chance to hit i believe, increasing with vetting ofcourse. I would say a lower acc round at range would be kind of silly :lol:
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Re: 76 mm vs 17 pounder performance

Postby Mister Maf » Sun 16 Apr 2017 11:22

The reason I suggested it having a lower range was so that the crew wouldn't even try to shoot it at ranges that it would have no chance to hit. Once the target hits 500m, then ammo priority automatically switches to the sabot round.
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