Let's talk 17th PzGren division

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Re: Let's talk 17th PzGren division

Postby Leon026 » Wed 10 May 2017 19:19

Link to Battlefront/Flames of War 17.SS briefing (which I trust more than Eugen) http://www.flamesofwar.com/Portals/0/Do ... vision.pdf

No mention of the 17.SS being deployed on the Eastern Front, and so I dont even understand why they should be getting East Front veterans.

Panzerfausts were also being delivered, albeit slowly in the western front, so you dont see as many of them (same goes for 12.SS and 2.SS. The fact tat Steel Division has so many panzerfausts is an anomally).

They werent equipped with self propelled howitzers so no StuH 42 would be available.
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Re: Let's talk 17th PzGren division

Postby gogopher » Wed 10 May 2017 19:25

again its just a game...i mean look at it this way...17ss is supposed to be a PzG div...how many of its troops are in apc's?...the icon next to the dive is the mech inf picture yet how much 'mech' is actually in the div...no tanks (just stugs)...no halftracks just kueble wagons (or however they are spelled)...17ss in game or more of an inf div than a mech-inf div...yet im thinking its fine as is...only needs one thing really and that is 2x2star king tigers i mean since then it would be unstoppable well maybe throw in some a-phase panther g's just to be sure

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Re: Let's talk 17th PzGren division

Postby Leon026 » Wed 10 May 2017 19:32

You do know that the 17.SS Panzergrenadierdivision was a panzergrenadier division in name only right?
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Re: Let's talk 17th PzGren division

Postby gogopher » Wed 10 May 2017 19:34

yeah...im just sayin in game it is listed under the heading and if u read the tooltip it tells u what an ingame mech div is...so

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Postby Mikoyan » Wed 10 May 2017 19:51

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M10 is cheaper and stronger than everything in 17th....

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Re: Let's talk 17th PzGren division

Postby gogopher » Wed 10 May 2017 21:09

lol...yet for some reason (armor) the stug IV will kill it everytime...as will the pak 43...as will their bombers...as will their 4km arty...as will their rocket arty...as will pzschreks...as will their pak 40...damn guess not everything

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Re: Let's talk 17th PzGren division

Postby CUALEB_Operator » Thu 11 May 2017 06:54

gogopher wrote:lame conquest

LOL

Yep confirmed, not playing the same game.

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Re: Let's talk 17th PzGren division

Postby KampfKeksKrieger » Thu 11 May 2017 16:52

gogopher wrote:lol...yet for some reason (armor) the stug IV will kill it everytime...as will the pak 43...as will their bombers...as will their 4km arty...as will their rocket arty...as will pzschreks...as will their pak 40...damn guess not everything


Indeed! I see the Stug kills those TDs, if it dosen't get surprised.
However, you can still use the Stug in Phase B and C reliably, while those tiny 6-8 AP tanks I dont know who invented that joke :-)

And other than France and the other Divisions, the 17.SS gets a really strong step tougher with Phase B and C (and already has mercyful units in Phase A), while the 3rd Armored and France carries them until Phase C, where they have no AP against tanks.

I see the 17.Pz has SO many options that are strong, I win very big with the one deck, but I can also loose with the 17.Pz hard, if I 1. dont compose my deck properly, and 2. If I struggle to use cannons and AT guns. They must fire, and have a good position, before something shoots on them.

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Re: Let's talk 17th PzGren division

Postby Tagaziel » Thu 11 May 2017 17:27

Leon026 wrote:No mention of the 17.SS being deployed on the Eastern Front, and so I dont even understand why they should be getting East Front veterans.


The division was formed in the West, yes, but that doesn't mean the soldiers (re)assigned to it didn't fight in the East.

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Re: Let's talk 17th PzGren division

Postby Leon026 » Fri 12 May 2017 16:38

Tagaziel wrote:
Leon026 wrote:No mention of the 17.SS being deployed on the Eastern Front, and so I dont even understand why they should be getting East Front veterans.


The division was formed in the West, yes, but that doesn't mean the soldiers (re)assigned to it didn't fight in the East.


Then why are they equipped with the PPsH? Purely comesetic, perhaps, but shouldnt the whole squad just be equipped with MP40s, especially if it was formed in 1943?
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