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Re: 12. SS Panzerdivision's Commander

Posted: Mon 15 May 2017 16:32
by Wolke
Sorry for hurting your feeble feelings. My SJW self feels so terrible about that.

Maybe a picture of your idol will make you feel better:

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Re: 12. SS Panzerdivision's Commander

Posted: Mon 15 May 2017 16:35
by FrangibleCover
aminzakhar wrote:I do not want to turn this into a political discussion

I do have a right

you SJWs (Social Justice Warriors)

pathetic

I have to say, you're not making the most compelling arguments here.

I'm personally in favour of the international version including Meyer, warts and all.
The 12th SS Panzer Division was commanded in Normandy by Kurt Meyer, an odious little man with no redeeming features. He joined the Nazi party in 1930, well before they wielded the sort of serious political clout that could be argued even slightly improve one's lot in life, which demonstrates him to have been an actual committed Nazi. Meyer then joined the SS in 1931, at the time an organisation with exclusive loyalty to Adolf hitler. Meyer started his military career occupying other people's countries before getting serious at the start of the Second World War. He gained expertise in shooting civilians in Poland and moved on to shooting civilians in the Soviet Union and burning their houses down before being transferred to command the 25th Panzer Grenadier Regiment in the Hitlerjugend Division, where he further indoctrinated the fanatical Nazis that the division was chock-full of and told them to give no quarter to Allied troops. From the 7th to the 8th of June 1944, 18 Canadian prisoners were executed by Meyer's men at his Regimental headquarters in the Ardenne Abbey, a crime in which he was at least heavily complicit. Another 30 PoWs were killed at the same time in other locations but Meyer managed to wriggle out of those charges at the war crime tribunal. On the 14th of June the commander of the Division was killed and Meyer took his place, supervising the Division as it was mauled by Allied forces and then losing most of the rest of it in the Falaise pocket. On the way out of France Meyer's men made sure to stop and shoot some French civilians, presumably in homage to their commander. On the 6th of September 1944 Meyer was captured by Belgian partisans and handed to Allied forces, who taped him banging on about what a swell bloke Hitler was. After the war the Allied prosecution managed to totally fuck up the case against him, at least partially due to insufficient cooperation with the Soviet Union, and Meyer escaped the noose and got a life sentence. After serving 14 years of that sentence Meyer was released on 'good behaviour', presumably because he'd stopped killing quite so many innocent people, and went on to work with HIAG and lie to the world about how the Waffen SS, the armed division of Hitler's personal bodyguard force, was actually an apolitical fighting organisation and not war criminals at all (especially him). Meyer died on his birthday in 1961, exactly 51 years too late.

How's that for you? Plenty of dates, plenty of historical facts. History is history, after all.

Re: 12. SS Panzerdivision's Commander

Posted: Mon 15 May 2017 16:47
by Leon026
This thread and topic is getting retarded.

If you want to play with Kurt Meyer, then I gladly invite you to play Flames of War. There you'll have the chance of playing with Meyer, Whittman, Barkmann, and Pieper. It also happens to be a half-decent game if you're into miniatures.


But for the intolerant, I suggest a fully censored version of Steel Division without the flags. Because afterall the British fire bombed civilian cities, the Americans dropped two atomic bombs on civilian targets and had internment camps for the Japanese, and the French for being communists, as well as raping and pillaging Italy because they couldn't be bothered to fully control their colonial troops.

Re: 12. SS Panzerdivision's Commander

Posted: Mon 15 May 2017 16:59
by Markenzwieback
FrangibleCover wrote:I'm personally in favour of the international version including Meyer, warts and all.
The 12th SS Panzer Division was commanded in Normandy by Kurt Meyer, an odious little man with no redeeming features. He joined the Nazi party in 1930, well before they wielded the sort of serious political clout that could be argued even slightly improve one's lot in life, which demonstrates him to have been an actual committed Nazi. Meyer then joined the SS in 1931, at the time an organisation with exclusive loyalty to Adolf hitler. Meyer started his military career occupying other people's countries before getting serious at the start of the Second World War. He gained expertise in shooting civilians in Poland and moved on to shooting civilians in the Soviet Union and burning their houses down before being transferred to command the 25th Panzer Grenadier Regiment in the Hitlerjugend Division, where he further indoctrinated the fanatical Nazis that the division was chock-full of and told them to give no quarter to Allied troops. From the 7th to the 8th of June 1944, 18 Canadian prisoners were executed by Meyer's men at his Regimental headquarters in the Ardenne Abbey, a crime in which he was at least heavily complicit. Another 30 PoWs were killed at the same time in other locations but Meyer managed to wriggle out of those charges at the war crime tribunal. On the 14th of June the commander of the Division was killed and Meyer took his place, supervising the Division as it was mauled by Allied forces and then losing most of the rest of it in the Falaise pocket. On the way out of France Meyer's men made sure to stop and shoot some French civilians, presumably in homage to their commander. On the 6th of September 1944 Meyer was captured by Belgian partisans and handed to Allied forces, who taped him banging on about what a swell bloke Hitler was. After the war the Allied prosecution managed to totally fuck up the case against him, at least partially due to insufficient cooperation with the Soviet Union, and Meyer escaped the noose and got a life sentence. After serving 14 years of that sentence Meyer was released on 'good behaviour', presumably because he'd stopped killing quite so many innocent people, and went on to work with HIAG and lie to the world about how the Waffen SS, the armed division of Hitler's personal bodyguard force, was actually an apolitical fighting organisation and not war criminals at all (especially him). Meyer died on his birthday in 1961, exactly 51 years too late.

How's that for you? Plenty of dates, plenty of historical facts. History is history, after all.

:lol:

Re: 12. SS Panzerdivision's Commander

Posted: Mon 15 May 2017 17:52
by DeuZerre
Leon026 wrote:But for the intolerant, I suggest a fully censored version of Steel Division without the flags. Because afterall the British fire bombed civilian cities, the Americans dropped two atomic bombs on civilian targets and had internment camps for the Japanese, and the French for being communists, as well as raping and pillaging Italy because they couldn't be bothered to fully control their colonial troops.


Pretty much everyone was "evil" by today's standards, but the bombing of civilian targets was morally OK back then since it was to "scare them to end the fight".

Didn't work well with conventional bombs, but worked pretty well with nukes. Not that I agree with the methods, but at that time it worked.

Re: 12. SS Panzerdivision's Commander

Posted: Mon 15 May 2017 17:53
by Fade2Gray
Wolke wrote:Awful lot of "only caring about history" when all you post about is missing SS runes and the option to lead a division as a war criminal being removed from an entertainment product.

Yeah, someone seems to "care a lot about history" a bit too much for a mere entertainment product.

You want history? Open a book.

Re: 12. SS Panzerdivision's Commander

Posted: Mon 15 May 2017 18:01
by Frencho
Oh man I shouldn't even glance at this forum section, got flashbacks of CoH2.org and Relic forums flamewars :x

Re: 12. SS Panzerdivision's Commander

Posted: Mon 15 May 2017 18:02
by orcbuster
Frencho wrote:Oh man I shouldn't even glance at this forum section, got flashbacks of CoH2.org and Relic forums flamewars :x


Good point. Question answered.

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