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CMP Tri-Polsten, brokenly good?

Posted: Tue 30 May 2017 22:34
by CUALEB_Operator
Just finished a 3v3 teamgame, against an CAN 3rd inf player in the mid lane.

He deployed three CMP Tri-polstens in total as his AA assets, two of the three claimed 9 aircraft kills:
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We had some dogfights, but many of these kills were archived by the CMP Tri-polstens alone, not stolen from the fighter planes. May upload the replay if people find that necessary.

It's definitely abnormal from most gameplays, and I don't think we encountered just an extremely small probability event.

So what concerns me is the towed version of the tri-polsten was quite OP as well back in the pre-order days, but got patched right-away. Is this a left-over howler for the self-propelled version?

Or we just had a stealth buff for the small caliber AA's and I am just overacting?

Replay Update:
files.sd-replays.net/replayfiles/2519059753399095093-3a2135e6-1007-4c6f-8311-05d87be18b4b.zip

Re: CMP Tri-Polsten, brokenly good?

Posted: Tue 30 May 2017 22:38
by captaincarnage
They were 3 star vet level which is probably why they killed your shit, Tri polstens are good but its the vetting which made them good enough to actually shoot your planes down.

Re: CMP Tri-Polsten, brokenly good?

Posted: Tue 30 May 2017 22:44
by CUALEB_Operator
captaincarnage wrote:They were 3 star vet level which is probably why they killed your shit, Tri polstens are good but its the vetting which made them good enough to actually shoot your planes down.


For dozens of games played with 3-star 88mm's, I never had half of this much kills with them.

Re: CMP Tri-Polsten, brokenly good?

Posted: Tue 30 May 2017 22:50
by Mikoyan
captaincarnage wrote:They were 3 star vet level which is probably why they killed your shit, Tri polstens are good but its the vetting which made them good enough to actually shoot your planes down.


I am that 3th airborne division, I have played hundreds of games since beta. its not first time my plans faced dozens of AA guns, but i never saw things like that.


especially this JU88S, it just die in 1second!

Re: CMP Tri-Polsten, brokenly good?

Posted: Tue 30 May 2017 23:02
by CUALEB_Operator
Mikoyan wrote:
captaincarnage wrote:especially this JU88S, it just die in 1second!


Yeah, I recall that. The poor Ju88s got melt as soon as it touched the 800m ring, didn't even had its suppression bar fed up.

Same goes for the Hs129 earlier if I recalls right.


It was a blast we still beat the odds.

Re: CMP Tri-Polsten, brokenly good?

Posted: Tue 30 May 2017 23:12
by Random
I have not tested it personally so I cant 100% guarantee the accuracy of this, but I do not think this is statistical anaomaly.

I assume this is just some gamemechanics.

firstly, the tripolsten is quite good due to high rof, secondly these are high vet and thirdly accuracy increases with every continious shot.

vet means: multiply rof and acc by 1.15 for every star.

also with accuracy increaseing with every shot, this means if you get 10 rolls that is a lot stronger than 8 rolls. it is not just 20% more damage, because with every roll the acc increases. each additional roll adds a lot of dps, a lot more than the earlier ones. you see the exact same thing with me 109 with 2 stars, if they get a decently long strafe and the acc can get ramped up, eg they are behind a plane they kill it within 2-3 seconds almost always.

Basically damage over time increases exponentially with every additional roll(up to the point where cth reaches 100%, there is plateaus), meaning high rof units are very deadly.

conclussion: tri-polstens should not come with vet.

Re: CMP Tri-Polsten, brokenly good?

Posted: Wed 31 May 2017 00:15
by Mikoyan
Random wrote:I have not tested it personally so I cant 100% guarantee the accuracy of this, but I do not think this is statistical anaomaly.

I assume this is just some gamemechanics.

firstly, the tripolsten is quite good due to high rof, secondly these are high vet and thirdly accuracy increases with every continious shot.

vet means: multiply rof and acc by 1.15 for every star.

also with accuracy increaseing with every shot, this means if you get 10 rolls that is a lot stronger than 8 rolls. it is not just 20% more damage, because with every roll the acc increases. each additional roll adds a lot of dps, a lot more than the earlier ones. you see the exact same thing with me 109 with 2 stars, if they get a decently long strafe and the acc can get ramped up, eg they are behind a plane they kill it within 2-3 seconds almost always.

Basically damage over time increases exponentially with every additional roll(up to the point where cth reaches 100%, there is plateaus), meaning high rof units are very deadly.

conclussion: tri-polstens should not come with vet.


I played hundreds of game, I cant believe 3x20 AAgun is better than 3x88s+3x37s or 6xM15+lots of .50,even though they are elite.

anyway, my elite 88s never do things like this,

they just kill any of my planes in 1 second, and this happened since ph B!

either they are cheat, nor its a bug …… or at least it should nerf。

Re: CMP Tri-Polsten, brokenly good?

Posted: Wed 31 May 2017 08:52
by Desty
had 2 CMP Tri Polsten with a command dingo yesterday...they needed under 2 seconds to down an ME109 :lol:

Re: CMP Tri-Polsten, brokenly good?

Posted: Wed 31 May 2017 09:19
by eMeM
Random wrote:I have not tested it personally so I cant 100% guarantee the accuracy of this, but I do not think this is statistical anaomaly.

I assume this is just some gamemechanics.

firstly, the tripolsten is quite good due to high rof, secondly these are high vet and thirdly accuracy increases with every continious shot.

vet means: multiply rof and acc by 1.15 for every star.

also with accuracy increaseing with every shot, this means if you get 10 rolls that is a lot stronger than 8 rolls. it is not just 20% more damage, because with every roll the acc increases. each additional roll adds a lot of dps, a lot more than the earlier ones. you see the exact same thing with me 109 with 2 stars, if they get a decently long strafe and the acc can get ramped up, eg they are behind a plane they kill it within 2-3 seconds almost always.

Basically damage over time increases exponentially with every additional roll(up to the point where cth reaches 100%, there is plateaus), meaning high rof units are very deadly.

conclussion: tri-polstens should not come with vet.

Accuracy increases only twice, at least when shooting at ground units.

Re: CMP Tri-Polsten, brokenly good?

Posted: Wed 31 May 2017 14:08
by Saavedra
Doesn´t seem fair to me that only tri-polstens get to shoot down planes. Not when weapons with higher caliber or better fire rate can´t do it.