Dealing with cannon-heavy Axis starters

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Dealing with cannon-heavy Axis starters

Postby sabresandy » Sat 30 Jun 2018 09:14

Hi all.

I'm having some problems dealing with infantry-and-field-gun-heavy Axis openers as the Allies. The Festung Gros-Paris is an especial annoyance with its massive squads, but really anything with that damned IG 18 backed up by phase-A 1200m AT guns (i.e., Pak 40 and Flak 88).

I've complained about IG 18s before; they can drive off Stuarts effortlessly and will often scare off heavier stuff. The 1200m AT is worse, though, nearly impossible to counter in open terrain, and has me tearing out my hair. M8 Scotts, Priest DDs, Churchill/Cromwell 95mm, Shermans, infantry...they all die. 81mm mortars have the same range as they do and must dodge behind an obstacle to open fire.

Surely there's something I'm missing in how to deal with those, right?

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Re: Dealing with cannon-heavy Axis starters

Postby HaryPL » Mon 2 Jul 2018 17:26

Um.. Any other 1200m gun/vehicle on your side?
Theres a lot of them.

Also: just fire on the ground 5m in front of the AT gun ( so AT is actually 1205m) and profit..

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Re: Dealing with cannon-heavy Axis starters

Postby sabresandy » Tue 3 Jul 2018 06:09

Priest DDs, 95mm-armed Cromwells and Churchills...all of which are vulnerable to Pak 40 and very vulnerable to the Flak 88. Those two are the main ones that cause trouble, to say nothing of the Pak 43 that one or two divisions have. (I'm not counting HE2 things like Hellcats.)

I can try the "fire right in front" solution but that seems gimmicky.

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Re: Dealing with cannon-heavy Axis starters

Postby Saavedra » Tue 3 Jul 2018 11:32

I see no mention of smoke. Have you tried that?

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Postby Sunburn » Tue 3 Jul 2018 17:35

Recon & Arty used like it should be, is the answer to your problem.

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Re: Dealing with cannon-heavy Axis starters

Postby sabresandy » Thu 5 Jul 2018 01:11

re: Saavedra: not really; I should. Smoke to cover an HE tank getting into range?

re: Sunburn: Phase A artillery is usually pretty limited, alas. The common 81mm mortar has the same range as the guns in question, while 60mm and 2-inch are both pretty hopeless unless I can sneak them up close in cover.

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Re: Dealing with cannon-heavy Axis starters

Postby Wolke » Thu 5 Jul 2018 10:07

- You can use your 1200m HE weapons to fire at a location 10-30m in front of the enemy gun (default hotkey is "T"). The HE round will supress the gun after a few shots and it won't be able to return fire, unless the opponents micros it into range. You will get off the first shot then, causing substantial supression and accurracy loss.
- If you have no access to 1200m HE weapons you may have acess to a bomber that can supress it instead. Remember to prepare for the moment it is supressed and get forces ready to move up.
- If you have access to arty with a range of 1200m+ then that is an option, too.

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