Russian artillery missing radios?

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Russian artillery missing radios?

Postby Miskyavine » Thu 11 Jul 2019 23:02

So ive noticed especially the M30-122 is missing its radio wich is kind of weird given its the only heavy arty in a few divisions and those division have commanders and artillery scouts. Is that intended or accident they could really use them as it puts them at a huge disadvantage against the German artillery of the same price.

Even Germany has a M30-122 with a damn radio wtf?

152mm artillery is absent from all but one USSR divison with it having limited numbers almost every German division gets heavy arty in good numbers and with radios.


Honestly 4 things could be done to fix Russian arty being useless

M30-122 gets radio
F-22 gets its radio
more 152s for more USSR divisions
More cards of other USSR heavy arty as well.
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Re: Russian artillery missing radios?

Postby IronHat » Fri 12 Jul 2019 10:28

Soviet artillery historically lacked wireless radio and relied on pre-planned massed barrage. One of the reason why they like katyusha so much.

"on call" artillery mission were really more the specialty of the western allies. The Americans were especially the master of it, with British being second. The germans were not that great at them either, which is why they also liked mass rocket barrage like the soviet.

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Postby Miskyavine » Sat 13 Jul 2019 02:58

Yes while there may not have been radios for everyone.Not everyone needs there own you just need one and everyone right next to it can use it to fire on coordinates.
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Re: Russian artillery missing radios?

Postby praslovan » Sun 14 Jul 2019 21:30

Miskyavine wrote:Yes while there may not have been radios for everyone.Not everyone needs there own you just need one and everyone right next to it can use it to fire on coordinates.

That is why there are artillery officer squads.

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Postby Miskyavine » Tue 16 Jul 2019 00:45

praslovan wrote:
Miskyavine wrote:Yes while there may not have been radios for everyone.Not everyone needs there own you just need one and everyone right next to it can use it to fire on coordinates.

That is why there are artillery officer squads.
Im testing it right now it doesnt seem to give the artillery in its aura the ability to use the spotter advantage.
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Re: Russian artillery missing radios?

Postby IronHat » Thu 18 Jul 2019 07:34

Miskyavine wrote:Yes while there may not have been radios for everyone.Not everyone needs there own you just need one and everyone right next to it can use it to fire on coordinates.

it's not just a matter of having a radio. Artillery correction require the proper training for both the Gun crew and the spotter.

Soviet artillery gun crew simply lack the institutional knowledge or training to perform correct shot. They just never bothered with it.

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Postby Miskyavine » Fri 19 Jul 2019 22:34

IronHat wrote:
Miskyavine wrote:Yes while there may not have been radios for everyone.Not everyone needs there own you just need one and everyone right next to it can use it to fire on coordinates.

it's not just a matter of having a radio. Artillery correction require the proper training for both the Gun crew and the spotter.

Soviet artillery gun crew simply lack the institutional knowledge or training to perform correct shot. They just never bothered with it.
Ok well if they are going to be worse make then cheaper and more plentiful. Rihgt now the Germans have more and better artillery.
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Re: Russian artillery missing radios?

Postby praslovan » Sat 20 Jul 2019 10:16

Miskyavine wrote:
praslovan wrote:
Miskyavine wrote:Yes while there may not have been radios for everyone.Not everyone needs there own you just need one and everyone right next to it can use it to fire on coordinates.

That is why there are artillery officer squads.
Im testing it right now it doesnt seem to give the artillery in its aura the ability to use the spotter advantage.

Well then they didn't really thought it through.

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Re: Russian artillery missing radios?

Postby IronHat » Sat 20 Jul 2019 23:27

Miskyavine wrote:
IronHat wrote:
Miskyavine wrote:Yes while there may not have been radios for everyone.Not everyone needs there own you just need one and everyone right next to it can use it to fire on coordinates.

it's not just a matter of having a radio. Artillery correction require the proper training for both the Gun crew and the spotter.

Soviet artillery gun crew simply lack the institutional knowledge or training to perform correct shot. They just never bothered with it.
Ok well if they are going to be worse make then cheaper and more plentiful. Rihgt now the Germans have more and better artillery.


Soviet have the biggest gun in game with correction, but the issue is that it's rare.

Both soviet guard armor are stuck with their 76.2mm gun, but the 5th panzer (and all the A rank panzer div from back to war) get access to some form of correctable 105mm and 150mm

the 26th soviet guard rifle have probably the best howitzer in the entire game, but their armor tab are inferior to the german panzers.


another problem is the game portray the German as having artillery spotting on par with the American, but in reality the german's level of artillery coordination was more similar to the soviet.

There should be less artillery spotter among the german platoon leaders. That was more something that was unique to the American.

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Re: Russian artillery missing radios?

Postby [EUG]MadMat » Sat 27 Jul 2019 13:14

Miskyavine wrote:So ive noticed especially the M30-122 is missing its radio wich is kind of weird given its the only heavy arty in a few divisions and those division have commanders and artillery scouts. Is that intended or accident they could really use them as it puts them at a huge disadvantage against the German artillery of the same price.

Even Germany has a M30-122 with a damn radio wtf?

USSR has had access to plenty of radio from mid-war lend-lease, but the issue was less with their numbers than with the number of people trained to use them.
Soviet artillery was more trained in the preparation of massive preparatory artillery barrages, or on-sight shooting, hence why most Soviet guns are gun-howitzer, doubling as decent AT weapons most of the time ... because they tended to be close from the front to fire on sight.

To represent that, we've only given radio to corps or army level guns, and left divisonal ones without.

And radio represent more an organization or an ability: radios are delivered or not from factory on the M-30. Hence why the German one, whom were pioniers in this field, has one, and not the Soviet.

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