Panzer-Lehr

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Panzer-Lehr

Postby Vladislav » Wed 17 Jun 2020 16:54

Hello Madmat. Do you want to give Panzer Lehr more power. This formation is not strong enough to fight with soviet army with their is 2 ( they easily can destroy each tank, on far distance)

So, i nearly read interesting book ( Niklas Zetterling: Normandy 44: German military organisation...)
And there i saw that fact that in Panzer Lehr was 6-7 jagdpanthers of 654 anti tank battalion. Can they be in it.


If no, can you imrove this formation in different way.

[url]https://books.google.com.ua/books?id=93vKDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA166&lpg=PA166&dq=jagdpanther+panzer+lehr&source=bl&ots=KN0GK2rr3o&sig=ACfU3U3DJqhnY2bknYcKPIRFEXrpveFRhA&hl=uk&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjb-qu_jInqAhURt4sKHYMpA3sQ6AEwDnoECAMQAQ#v=onepage&q=jagdpanther%20panzer%20lehr&f=false/url]

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Panzer-Lehr

Postby Vladislav » Wed 17 Jun 2020 17:00

Here it is
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Re: OPERATION BAGRATION ... Would you like to know more?

Postby Vladislav » Wed 17 Jun 2020 17:07

And one more question.

Do you want to add King tiger on other divisions. Such as it can be to add it in Hitlerjugend division as 101 battalion or in (maybe) future DLC about Sandomierz operation, where took part 501 battalion .
And, for idea, there you can add elephants formation. Which was in that operation.

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Re: OPERATION BAGRATION ... Would you like to know more?

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Re: OPERATION BAGRATION ... Would you like to know more?

Postby arminiuz » Fri 19 Jun 2020 11:32

Vladislav wrote:Here it is



German Wiki also says that Panzer Lehr was the first group equipped with Tiger II.

They where the first ones to receive 5 TIGER II. Some more later on. And during 44-45 there have been quite some groups equipped with a lot of Königstiger.



I think having only one group in SDII does not represent it. However its understandable for balancing reasons.
However during the ardenne offensive the germans attacked a.o. with 88 Königstiger, only losing two to the Brits and 3 due to some breakdown issues. Thats and impressive number, considering 83 of 88 Tanks survived an offensive attack.

They are also said to be one of the keys slowing down allied forces in east and west. However at the very end there where around 500 King Tigers and some 10.0000 allied tanks left. Most of the 500 Tanks have been destroyed by german forces on their own, some of them where captured and returned to allied countrys.

German wiki precisly describes battle groups and the amount of KT they had:

heres google translate, because i'm too lazy to translate on my own :D
Here, some precise german fact and figures ;)
The Panzerkampfwagen Tiger II was mainly delivered to the heavy tank departments that were already equipped with the Tiger I. However, the first association equipped with Tigers II was the Panzer-Lehr-Division. In the tank training regiment, she had five Tiger IIs in the subordinate tank company (Funklenk) 316. These were used to combat the Allied landing in Normandy. On June 27, 1944, the heavy tank division 503, newly equipped with 33 Tigers I and 12 Tigers II, was moved to the western front, where it was used from July 11, 1944. From June to July 1944, the heavy tank division 501 was gradually withdrawn from the Eastern Front for refitting and, with 45 Tigers II, placed on August 6, 1944 under the Army Group of Northern Ukraine. At the end of July, both the 3rd / Heavy Panzer Division 503 and the 1st / Heavy SS Panzer Division 101 were pulled out of the western front, equipped with 14 Tigers II and moved back in early August. On July 7, the heavy tank division 505 near Molodechno, which had shrunk to fend off the Soviet offensive Operation Bagration on 15 Tiger I, was withdrawn from the Eastern Front and transferred to the Ohrdruf military training area. There she was equipped with 45 Tigers II and was used again on September 9 on the Eastern Front near Nasielsk. The heavy tank division 506 was equipped with 45 Tigers II in Paderborn and then used against the Allies near Arnhem. The heavy tank division 503 coming from the western front was completely equipped with Tigers II at the Sennelager military training area in mid-September. At the same time the heavy SS tank division 101 was completely equipped with Tigers II and moved back to the western front. During the Ardennes offensive in December 1944, 86 Tigers II were deployed, two of which were shot down by the British and three were abandoned by their crews. [4] In 1945 the heavy tank departments 507 and 509 and the heavy SS tank departments 502 (renamed 102) and 503 (renamed 103) were completely equipped with Tigers II. On March 31, 1945, the last 13 Tigers II produced by Henschel were divided between the 3rd / Heavy Panzer Division 510 and 511. After that, a few Tiger II of the replacement army were deployed in so-called alarm units, with the tanks being transported by train to the combat sites.
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Re: Panzer-Lehr

Postby [EUG]MadMat » Fri 19 Jun 2020 13:09

Vladislav wrote:(Jagdpanther)

s.PzJäger-Abteilung 654's Jagdpanther are already ingame with 352. Infantry-Division

arminiuz wrote:(Königstiger)

Lehr inded had a few KT, but those were left behind when the division moved to France.
Hence they weren't in Normandy.

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Re: Panzer-Lehr

Postby Vladislav » Sat 20 Jun 2020 21:53

MadMat. Thanks for the info. But can you answer on my first question. How it can fight against the divisions which had is 2 . Because in several maps you have forest for the almost of it's territory. Especially you can locate on roads one- two is 2 which can easily destroy panther on far distance. So, can you improve panzer lehr or it was bad for balance.

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