[storm about Jaguar inbound]

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Re: [Shitstorm about Jaguar inbound]

Postby ikalugin » Tue 30 Apr 2013 03:48

Well you can micro buks. And attrite enemy attacks with lots of non SEAD AA.
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Re: [Shitstorm about Jaguar inbound]

Postby trotskygrad » Tue 30 Apr 2013 03:51

TheFluff wrote:
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TheFluff wrote:Bad players keep spawning BUK's as a response to NATO air support, gets jaguared into oblivion, news at 11


I'm not sure to understand everything you say.
I dont say its not contrable or something, I just say we are going to get a storm about it.

That's what I was saying too, but it's not really news. I've been in a lot of matches where people don't seem to realize how the SEAD missiles work and just keep spawning more BUK's when they get destroyed by Jaguars. I'm actually surprised I haven't seen any incredibly angry threads about the French being OP yet, especially considering all of the other bizarre complaining threads we have going on.

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Re: [Shitstorm about Jaguar inbound]

Postby TheFluff » Tue 30 Apr 2013 03:52

ikalugin wrote:Well you can micro buks. And attrite enemy attacks with lots of non SEAD AA.


Of course, but I don't think people even realize that they radiate.

Also, once PACT gets Iglas I think it'll be a lot riskier for NATO to fly SEAD missions. NATO has a great selection of MANPADS infantry right now (Stingers, Javelins, RBS 70's), PACT not so much.

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Re: [Shitstorm about Jaguar inbound]

Postby trotskygrad » Tue 30 Apr 2013 03:53

TheFluff wrote:Of course, but I don't think people even realize that they radiate.

Also, once PACT gets Iglas I think it'll be a lot riskier for NATO to fly SEAD missions. NATO has a great selection of MANPADS infantry right now (Stingers, Javelins, RBS 70's), PACT not so much.


yea I definitely miss my iglas from beta 1

but NATO will get planes with better ECM though, right?

I already avoid flying my sead straight into the enemy defense, I come from behind to avoid strelas and AAA... higher chance of getting spotted and intercepted though.
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Re: [Shitstorm about Jaguar inbound]

Postby TheFluff » Tue 30 Apr 2013 03:56

You gotta escort your SEAD missions dude, otherwise they get owned by either Su-27's or the feared Czech MiG-21 spam. That's why the Tomcat is such a good combo with the Jaguar, it can comfortably sit in your own AA cover and fling Phoenixes halfway across the map while the Jaguars go to town.

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Re: [Shitstorm about Jaguar inbound]

Postby DarrickS » Tue 30 Apr 2013 03:58

Well, now I can talk about the second part of my post.

The game is totaly different from 1vs1 and XvsX.
XvsX look like WIC right now.
I suppose its the thematic deck effect, but its all about "teamplaying" and not just "bitching".

I'm happy of this, cause I got fun actually with this game.
Never got so much fun from WEE in XvsX.
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Re: [Shitstorm about Jaguar inbound]

Postby TheFluff » Tue 30 Apr 2013 04:00

I agree, the teamwork is pretty awesome and I hope it stays that way in some form.

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Re: [Shitstorm about Jaguar inbound]

Postby trotskygrad » Tue 30 Apr 2013 04:01

TheFluff wrote:You gotta escort your SEAD missions dude, otherwise they get owned by either Su-27's or the feared Czech MiG-21 spam. That's why the Tomcat is such a good combo with the Jaguar, it can comfortably sit in your own AA cover and fling Phoenixes halfway across the map while the Jaguars go to town.


I know haha, Mirages do a good job of that (but you have too few for my tastes

also having multi SEAD jags can pose a nasty surprise if they start up their cannon :lol:
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Re: [storm about Jaguar inbound]

Postby Akulapanam » Tue 30 Apr 2013 05:39

I don't understand why this is an issue. Defending against SEAD is a three step process.

1) Don't deploy every Burk at start.

2) Build a tiered AA defense. Teamwork comes into play here.

3) Provide air cover when they show up. Jaguar's are limited once they are dead they are gone. Again teamwork comes into play here.

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Re: [storm about Jaguar inbound]

Postby Guggy » Tue 30 Apr 2013 05:51

People were just too used to being able to plop down some heavy SAM's with supply trucks and calling it a day. I welcome the additional micro needed.

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