Un-nerf SEAD and Cluster

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Un-nerf SEAD and Cluster

Postby ArkHam330 » Thu 16 May 2013 12:30

Yeah I know it's pretty straight forward, and the subject has already been reported countless times. But as we all saw with the BMPT / Buratino issue, you have to repeat yourself to actually have some results.

So, here we go again :

- Please do un-nerf cluster bombs: It was one of the only efficient weapons left to NATO against PACT armors. The nerf was just not necessary, as a matter of fact, CB were not signaled as a problem by the community, were them ? If this nerf had been followed by a necessary buff of ATGM planes it would have been understandable: cluster to counter light vehicules and ATGM for tanks, but it wasn't followed by such a buff, and it greaves NATO supposed air superiority that our friends of the "L2P Club" always citate as the way to counter T80's.

- Please do un-nerf SEAD planes: Why on earth would you want to nerf SEAD ? Once again, it just advantages PACT ! Now the Raven misses nearly 50% of the time. And once again, did anybody complain about Wild Weasels ? No, because it was a balance (I wouldn't go as far as to say a sufficient balance) against PACT OP AA.

Thank you for your attention good peoples.
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Re: Un-nerf SEAD and Cluster

Postby stray cat » Thu 16 May 2013 12:35

- Please do un-nerf cluster bombs: It was one of the only efficient weapons left to NATO against PACT armors. The nerf was just not necessary, as a matter of fact, CB were not signaled as a problem by the community, were them ? If this nerf had been followed by a necessary buff of ATGM planes it would have been understandable: cluster to counter light vehicules and ATGM for tanks, but it wasn't, and it greaves NATO supposed air superiority that our friends of the "L2P Club" always citate as the way to counter T80's.

- Please do un-nerf SEAD planes: Why on earth would you want to nerf SEAD ? Once again, it just advantages PACT ! Now the Raven misses nearly 50% of the time. And once again, did anybody complain about Wild Weasels ? No, because it was a balance (I wouldn't go as far as to say a sufficient balance) against PACT OP AA.

Thank you for your attention good peoples.


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1. AGM planes are superior to cluster bombs. Why? Ill let you figure this out for yourself.
2.SEAD is not nerfed. If you use Weasels to SEAD, you pay the price for beign a cheap mofo by losing those planes. If you want a safe SEAD run, buy the more expensive Ravens.
What you want is 100% safe SEAD in any AA setup while at the same time you bitch about that plan not working with ghetto SEAD planes. Does not work like this. If you want high end stuff, you got to pay the high end price.

Also NATO AA is way better.

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Re: Un-nerf SEAD and Cluster

Postby ArkHam330 » Thu 16 May 2013 12:37

Damn, I missed you StrayCat of the L2P club :)

- AGM planes are to vulnerable.
- I use wild weasels as a general term for SEAD planes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_Weasel) . I only use Ravens as nato. If you read my post entirely (That's why I write short ones) you would have seen that I talk about the Raven.
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Re: Un-nerf SEAD and Cluster

Postby Yermo » Thu 16 May 2013 12:42

+1

The Raven isn't worths its points anymore, as he misses his targets and get shutdown at the first hit...at the beginning you were almost sure to hit and destroy something, now PACT players don't even bother to shut down their radar weapons anymore.

As for the Cluster, one again they just advantage the PACT now, as they can spam cheap (and deadly) cluster planes and NATO can't.
Please keep in mind that good Pact players don't use "T-55 spam", that's just an other useless "strategy", they use at least 80pts tanks which we can hardly destroy...which is kind of annoying when you know that your cluster plan will probably die in his attempt to evac (you now, because you didn't destroyed the AA because your Raven died at its first run).


Edit : @stray cat, maybe you should go outside, take a walk in a park and calm down, it could prevent you to attack ppl in your answers and put one insult per phrase :?
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Re: Un-nerf SEAD and Cluster

Postby Elukka » Thu 16 May 2013 12:43

The overpowered Pact tanks are a temporary thing. They mostly still have their prices from WEE. It would make no sense to base the rest of the balancing on this temporary circumstance. SEAD is similar, they're currently working on rebalancing AA and SEAD as a whole.

Cluster bombs are still very powerful and certainly don't need a buff. Faction balance will come, have a little patience. Cluster bombs that murder the best tanks in one pass better than a Maverick wouldn't be a good thing for the game.

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Re: Un-nerf SEAD and Cluster

Postby Tugboat » Thu 16 May 2013 13:09

SEAD is working just fine in my experience. It should not be an automatic hard counter to radar AA.
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Re: Un-nerf SEAD and Cluster

Postby OmikronAnubis » Thu 16 May 2013 13:10

These two things were mentioned again and again and again and... i guess you see what im up to.
So whats the reason to open another thread about the same whining?

I nor have problems with the SEAD nor the Clusterbombs. They are still strong and its not to hard to kill tanks with them and the AGM planes are not to bad if you handle them right. It's a bit harder than using the Clusterbombs from time to time, but they are still capable...

So i really wonder how you play if you need these things so badly...?


@Yermo

I had a game yesterday where my raven killed 5 buks before the game was over and did not loose it. And nato cant spam lowpriced clusterbomb planes?
Denmark: Starfighter 4x 450kg cluster bombs for 80 points - 2 per stack, 3 stacks at all
Norway: F-104G Starfighter 2x 450 kg cluster bombs for 100 points - 2 per stack, 2 stacks at all
Canada: CF-116 Freedom Fighter 2x 450 kg cluster bombs for 60 points - 2 per stack, 4 stacks at all
West-Germany: Alpha Jet A 2x 450 kg cluster bombs for 60 points - 2 per stack, 4 stacks at all
Great Britain: Jaguar GR.1 2x 450 kg cluster bombs for 60 points - 2 per stack, 4 stacks at all
Great Britain2: Jaguar GR.1A 4x 450 kg cluster bombs for 80 points - 2 per stack, 3 stacks at all
USA: F-111D Aardvark 8x 245kg cluster bombs for 90 points - 2 per stack, 3 stacks at all
USA2: F16-A Fighting Falcon 2x 245kg cluster bombs for 95 points - 2 per stack, 3 stacks at all

That means: Every nato-nation but france can use at least one typ of clusterbomber for under 100points. And pact?
Czechoslovakia: no cluster plane
Poland: no cluster plane
GDR: Mig-23BN 4x 500 kg cluster bombs for 115 points - 2 per stack, 2 stacks at all
Sovietunion: Mig-21S 2x 500 kg cluster bombs for 50 points - 2 per stack, 4 stacks at all
Sovietunion2: Mig-21SM 2x 500 kg cluster bombs for 60 points - 2 per stack, 4 stacks at all

There are just two nations who can field clusterbombs at all at pact-side, that means 50% of them and while the nato can field nearly completly clusterbombs for a low price. But yes, you are right. Damn pact! Poor nato cant even field clusterbombers Q_Q

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Re: Un-nerf SEAD and Cluster

Postby stray cat » Thu 16 May 2013 13:11

Edit : @stray cat, maybe you should go outside, take a walk in a park and calm down, it could prevent you to attack ppl in your answers and put one insult per phrase :?


What insult? "cheap mofo" is not an insult.

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Re: Un-nerf SEAD and Cluster

Postby Khan » Thu 16 May 2013 13:14

I uses super ententard instead sead to sipe buks. If they survive i can snipe heavy tanks.
I attack in a huge swarm all my bombers (cluster) super ententard starts an attack of the blop. Super ententard sniping aa and a cluster rain falling on tanks and other stuff.
For me the SEAD or an single attack of a plane is very dangerous and u can lost planes one by one

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Re: Un-nerf SEAD and Cluster

Postby iMolestCats » Thu 16 May 2013 13:21

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