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Air spam is ruining 10v10

Posted: Wed 22 May 2013 06:30
by iwancoppa
The latest nerf to AA has made this issue 10x worse.

How is one reasonably expected to stop 10 A-6's with 2 tomcats behind them to kill any air you send at them?


Go on, smug little *omg PACT is op!!* whiner. explain.





No, it's not a case of *well his deck is mostly air, just overwhelm his ground!*. It's a 10v10. there is no consequence for taking a stupid air-spam deck with 24 bombers in it.

Re: Air spam is ruining 10v10

Posted: Wed 22 May 2013 06:33
by Soyaman
Well if their entire team can cooperate then your should too.

Otherwise their team is just better than your team, ergo you lose.

Re: Air spam is ruining 10v10

Posted: Wed 22 May 2013 06:34
by Iris
You don't. That requires teamwork to execute, and it'll require teamwork to defend.

Re: Air spam is ruining 10v10

Posted: Wed 22 May 2013 06:38
by Grazgul
iwancoppa wrote:The latest nerf to AA has made this issue 10x worse.

How is one reasonably expected to stop 10 A-6's with 2 tomcats behind them to kill any air you send at them?


Go on, smug little *omg PACT is op!!* whiner. explain.





No, it's not a case of *well his deck is mostly air, just overwhelm his ground!*. It's a 10v10. there is no consequence for taking a stupid air-spam deck with 24 bombers in it.


Obviously if the opponent sends 1500 points at you it's going to hurt.
10v10 is always going to see retarded stacking, as there is 10 players

This is a pointless thread, I'm sorry but it is. There is no balance in a 10,000 point game. When you have 3 times your army sent at you, you are most likely going to lose

I get that this is an ill-conceived rant, but your just going to have to deal with the fact that in 10v10 your going to get ganged up on sometimes.

Re: Air spam is ruining 10v10

Posted: Wed 22 May 2013 06:44
by denta321
Balance in 10vs10 does not exist. 10vs10 is only teamplay. 1 of 10 build only AA Build ... if 5v5 random in LoL or DOTA is already how is this then look at a 10vs10? :lol:
Think about it. 10vs10 is crap. Pure Fun mode

Re: Air spam is ruining 10v10

Posted: Wed 22 May 2013 07:09
by Shade
You losing 10 vs 10 not cuz of planes or something. You losing cuz it's just unreal to play with team or randoms vs team of ppl who are in one TS / Skype.
They just will over number you everywhere.

Re: Air spam is ruining 10v10

Posted: Wed 22 May 2013 07:25
by Grazgul
denta321 wrote:Balance in 10vs10 does not exist. 10vs10 is only teamplay. 1 of 10 build only AA Build ... if 5v5 random in LoL or DOTA is already how is this then look at a 10vs10? :lol:
Think about it. 10vs10 is crap. Pure Fun mode


+1

I do enjoy 10v10, but it shouldn't go to stats unless it's a ranked game or it should have it's own stats. It's more of a "look at how awesome our engine is now" for eugen.

Try a 6x Pion build or something and watch the opposition rage for no reason.

Re: Air spam is ruining 10v10

Posted: Wed 22 May 2013 07:34
by I WUB PUGS
10v10 is the derp derp game so yeah, there's your answer.

I play 4v4 with friends in TS, or if we're lucky we'll get 6-8 of us go into a 10v10 and yeah, not fun for the other team.

There are fewer planes in the center in 10v10 because the air corridors aren't right there. If you have that big of a problem with the planes stick to the middle.

You don't. That requires teamwork to execute, and it'll require teamwork to defend.


+1 That's basically it. You think the SEAD flight covered by fighters followed by an air assault is just some random spam of aircraft? Sorry to inform everyone but this is an MP game, and in MP, teams are always far more effective than individuals.

We have the chat to get a general idea of how to help each other (if anyone listens) but it won't be the same as an actual TS channel with people working together. And I really don't want to see a VOIP in game. Just gonna be some guy issuing orders to people who don't care (and they shouldn't).

Re: Air spam is ruining 10v10

Posted: Wed 22 May 2013 07:40
by EliteSniper
Call in MIG-31Ms. I saw they were pretty fast so speed could make up for the range the F-14 has. Perhaps you could just use teamwork, because a 10v10 is not a 1v1, you have a team for a reason, so cooperate with them. =D

Re: Air spam is ruining 10v10

Posted: Wed 22 May 2013 10:11
by Raymond Saint
10v10 was ruined since the beginning.
Too big map (too blend, too copypasted, too symmetrical), too many points.