Let's talk about F-117 and MIG-31

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Re: Let's talk about F-117 and MIG-31

Postby Spartan0536 » Wed 22 May 2013 10:12

Complaining about F117 and F-15E....


Let go REALISM here....

F-15E Strike Eagle in real life is a very versatile and deadly aircraft capable of SEAD, Carpet Bombing, and Air Dominance. The F-15C&E in RL also has a "Super Search" RADAR function that allows it to seek enemy aircraft and ground targets (in the event that a RADAR guided ATGM is on board) at extremely distant ranges, the F-15 also has additional systems pods that allow it to pick up enemy RADAR for enhanced SEAD and evasion.

If Eugen wanted they could have given the F-15E the capability of dropping 8 2000LB unguided bombs, they could have also make them Paveway II's or Paveway III's, the F-15E can also be fitted with 4 of the notorious GBU-28 "Bunker Buster" which was a 5000LB Penetrating Blast Fragmentation GPS/LASER Guided Bomb. Consider your self lucky that Eugen did not decide to turn the Strike Eagle into a doomsday weapon of carpet bombing mayhem that it certainly and realistically could be.


F117 Nighthawk... In RL the F-117 carries 2 internally stored 2000lb bombs, Eugen limited the F-117 to one, thank them otherwise you think its "OP" now, ha, it can get worse. They could have also fitted the F-117 with 2 GBU-27 Paveway III's that are 2000lb Blast Fragmentation Penetration bombs that cause 30% more damage than the Paveway that the F-117 carries in the game right now. The F-117 once detected is easily shot down as it has practically no ECM which in RL it had some of the most advanced ECM systems in the world installed, again it could be worse.

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Re: Let's talk about F-117 and MIG-31

Postby katt » Wed 22 May 2013 10:18

If you're going to go "REALISM DURR" argument you can at least make the effort to not be completely wrong.
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Re: Let's talk about F-117 and MIG-31

Postby Spartan0536 » Wed 22 May 2013 10:22

katt wrote:If you're going to go "REALISM DURR" argument you can at least make the effort to not be completely wrong.


where was I wrong in there?


Also this is exactly what Eugen could have added to the F-15E to really make you scream your communist heads off...
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Re: Let's talk about F-117 and MIG-31

Postby katt » Wed 22 May 2013 10:29

Spartan0536 wrote:
katt wrote:If you're going to go "REALISM DURR" argument you can at least make the effort to not be completely wrong.


where was I wrong in there?


Just about everywhere. F-15E cannot do SEAD, at least not to the extent of F-4G. It can shoot ARMs, that's it. It can't actually find radars, which is why there was a proposed F-15G Wild Weasel variant. F-117 has no ECM whatsoever, the only way the pilot in Yugoslavia knew he'd been illuminated by an enemy SAM was because his airplane started tumbling around and falling apart.
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Re: Let's talk about F-117 and MIG-31

Postby Spartan0536 » Wed 22 May 2013 10:34

katt wrote:
Spartan0536 wrote:
katt wrote:If you're going to go "REALISM DURR" argument you can at least make the effort to not be completely wrong.


where was I wrong in there?


Just about everywhere. F-15E cannot do SEAD, at least not to the extent of F-4G. It can shoot ARMs, that's it. It can't actually find radars, which is why there was a proposed F-15G Wild Weasel variant. F-117 has no ECM whatsoever, the only way the pilot in Yugoslavia knew he'd been illuminated by an enemy SAM was because his airplane started tumbling around and falling apart.


Please read this before spreading any inaccurate information.... http://www.ausairpower.net/Profile-F-15A-D.html
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Re: Let's talk about F-117 and MIG-31

Postby DeuZerre » Wed 22 May 2013 10:37

And about the F117? ;)
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Re: Let's talk about F-117 and MIG-31

Postby katt » Wed 22 May 2013 10:41

Spartan0536 wrote:Please read this before spreading any inaccurate information.... http://www.ausairpower.net/Profile-F-15A-D.html


Yes, F-15E can fire ARMs.

This doesn't make it anymore capable of SEAD than an A-10A, which can also fire ARMs. You also need the ability to locate enemy radars to attack. The only way an F-15E could do this is in a self-defence posture against an illuminating radar. \: If you want to call that SEAD, that's fine, but it isn't.

There are only a handful of dedicated SEAD aircraft in US inventory: F-16CJ, EA-6B, an EA-18G. There was a proposed, dedicated SEAD variant that would be able to find and destroy radars, F-15G, but it never made it to service.

F-15E, A-10A/C, F/A-18A/B/C/D/E/F can all do SEAD as secondary missions by carrying ARMs and shooting them at radars that decide to shoot back, but it's equivalent to shooting someone because he has already pointed his gun at you, as opposed to shooting him when he starts to pull it out.
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Re: Let's talk about F-117 and MIG-31

Postby Yermo » Wed 22 May 2013 10:48

The F117 has always been a huge thing, it's a little like the Burratino (in his actual version, not the old one) : deadly against little concentration of infantery but not so much against the tanks.
Also, the special effects are quite classy 8-)

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Re: Let's talk about F-117 and MIG-31

Postby Graphic » Wed 22 May 2013 10:50

F-117 requires special tactics to counter, but if you take the measures you'll shoot it down pretty easily. It does catch a LOT of people off guard, though.

Strike Eagle has a very powerful payload but it's only good vs. soft targets and it doesn't have the Nighthawk's stealth or standoff range, so it doesn't require any tactics to shoot down than an Aardvark or something does. And when you do, you've just got the largest point reward possible for one unit and taken out their one and only available.

Basically with the Strike Eagle, before you consider any nerfs you have to take three very big things into account: it's a prototype, it's the most expensive unit in the game, and you only get one. If any unit deserves to be powerful, it's this.
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Re: Let's talk about F-117 and MIG-31

Postby Spartan0536 » Wed 22 May 2013 10:51

katt wrote:
Spartan0536 wrote:Please read this before spreading any inaccurate information.... http://www.ausairpower.net/Profile-F-15A-D.html


Yes, F-15E can fire ARMs.

This doesn't make it anymore capable of SEAD than an A-10A, which can also fire ARMs. You also need the ability to locate enemy radars to attack. The only way an F-15E could do this is in a self-defence posture against an illuminating radar. \: If you want to call that SEAD, that's fine, but it isn't.

There are only a handful of dedicated SEAD aircraft in US inventory: F-16CJ, EA-6B, an EA-18G. There was a proposed, dedicated SEAD variant that would be able to find and destroy radars, F-15G, but it never made it to service.

F-15E, A-10A/C, F/A-18A/B/C/D/E/F can all do SEAD as secondary missions by carrying ARMs and shooting them at radars that decide to shoot back, but it's equivalent to shooting someone because he has already pointed his gun at you, as opposed to shooting him when he starts to pull it out.



Now lets look at what I said in my original post....

"F-15E Strike Eagle in real life is a very versatile and deadly aircraft capable of SEAD, Carpet Bombing, and Air Dominance."
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