Tracked Rapier, this is how you fix it.

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Tracked Rapier, this is how you fix it.

Postby GBNATO » Sat 25 May 2013 00:05

Right now the British deck is suffering the same fate as many of the minor nations except a bit worse, the only borderline effective SAM is the Tracked Rapier, it is short range, has a high fire rate (often leading to wasted missiles), boasts massive fuel consumption, it's painfully slow and despite being based on the M113 chassis has no frontal armor at all (meanwhile the MLRS based on the same chassis has 1 frontal armor) but I can forgive all this as it is more than most nations can boast.

What I cannot get over however is that you stand the very real risk of having your entire airdefence wiped out by SEAD. MANPADS are now ineffective against fast jets and AAA serves as a type of ariel stun gun so what is to be done?

Well as luck would have it Rapier missiles had a whole bunch of guidance methods available and Blindfire Radar (the thing SEAD locks on to) was rareley ever brought into action, it was mounted on a towed trailer and served as a supplement to Rapiers capabilities not it's primary guidance method. The Rapier was first and foremost a SACLOS missile, the target was placed with the crosshairs and held there.

Getting rid of the RADAR stat would mean Tracked rapier would be immune to SEAD while at the same time not being infrared so not suffering the handicap associated with such systems, not that it would matter since I could throw a stone further anyway.

Another issue the Tracked Rapier has is that when firing at very close targets (like anything within it's range) it will miss because of the awkward angle with the only hits occuring after the target aircraft has released it's payload and is EVAC Winchester. One option would be to make the Rapier missile more agile so that it can actually achive first time hits.

Basically the extremely short range of Rapier would be offset by the fact that any aircraft straying within the tiny killzone would be almost gauranteed destruction.

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Re: Tracked Rapier, quick question.

Postby Whistler118 » Sat 25 May 2013 00:14

British Doctrine relies on the RAF (Royal Air Force) as its main Air to Air defence. Any form of ground to Air britain has possessed in the past has been god awful. The Rapier (in real life that is) which is britains main Ground to air counter has the pathetic range of 6800m which is a stones throw in comparison to other nations air defence. In fact the rapier was so bad that when in was used in the falklands the missiles would more often than not hit the side of a cliff than an air target. And don't get me started on the blowpipe!

My suggestion (in game) is you use britain with only Air to Air fighters and with a reliable teammate who can help bolster your AA screen. Or alternatively, use the fictional chain gun AA system which I have found to be quite effective at times.

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Re: Tracked Rapier, this is how you fix it.

Postby Bob_Marley » Sat 25 May 2013 00:26

The poor performance of the rapier in the Falklands can at least be partially explained by the rather poor deployment of the systems - they were usually positioned on hills, which meant they were unable to effectively engage low flying Argentine aircraft as the systems couldn't be depressed enough.

But yeah, British AA of the era was somewhat craptastic.

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Re: Tracked Rapier, quick question.

Postby 30k » Sat 25 May 2013 00:40

Whistler118 wrote:My suggestion (in game) is you use britain with only Air to Air fighters and with a reliable teammate who can help bolster your AA screen. Or alternatively, use the fictional chain gun AA system which I have found to be quite effective at times.


So what they are basically doing is making you constantly have to fight for air superiority, which in a 1v1 as the brits is not going to be so easy when all the enemy has to do is call out a BUK for example, he then doesnt have to use his planes therefore making all those activation points you spent on Air to Air jets pointless. :|
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Re: Tracked Rapier, this is how you fix it.

Postby Xeno426 » Sat 25 May 2013 00:55

So the missile would function not unlike the Tunguska's missile? I like. +1.
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Re: Tracked Rapier, this is how you fix it.

Postby trotskygrad » Sat 25 May 2013 00:58

+1 for SACLOS Rapier
NEXT TIME I SEE A DAMN FLAMEWAR INVOLVING DARTH-LAMPSHADE, FROSTPOOKY, LONERIFLE, FADE2GRAY, TROTSKYGRAD AND/OR ANYONE INVOLVED IN A DISCUSSION BETWEEN THEM I'M GOING TO HAND OUT BANS TO ANYONE USING ANYTHING LOOKING REMOTELY LIKE AN AD-HOMINEM

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Re: Tracked Rapier, this is how you fix it.

Postby Yuibernd » Sat 25 May 2013 01:24

GBNATO wrote:despite being based on the M113 chassis has no frontal armor at all (meanwhile the MLRS based on the same chassis has 1 frontal armor) but I can forgive all this as it is more than most nations can boast.


The MRLS is based on the M1 Bradley chassis.

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Re: Tracked Rapier, quick question.

Postby GBNATO » Sat 25 May 2013 02:15

Whistler118 wrote:British Doctrine relies on the RAF (Royal Air Force) as its main Air to Air defence. Any form of ground to Air britain has possessed in the past has been god awful. The Rapier (in real life that is) which is britains main Ground to air counter has the pathetic range of 6800m which is a stones throw in comparison to other nations air defence. In fact the rapier was so bad that when in was used in the falklands the missiles would more often than not hit the side of a cliff than an air target. And don't get me started on the blowpipe!

My suggestion (in game) is you use britain with only Air to Air fighters and with a reliable teammate who can help bolster your AA screen. Or alternatively, use the fictional chain gun AA system which I have found to be quite effective at times.


I should not need to rely on a teammate in order to shoot down enemy aircraft, and as for using the RAF as a means of air defence, the Tornado ADV is very expensive, say I wan't to shoot down a crappy mig 21 with cluster bombs; If I scramble as soon as I see it enter the map BUK's will inevitably shoot my Tornado down while I am attempting to engage away from my front line or I could wait for it to get over my lines by which time it will be evac winchester and away.

In order for a nation to use Aircraft to achive air superiority you MUST HAVE SEAD and guess who doesen't have SEAD thats right the UK!!!

So to recap, Fighters are an awful means of air defence when used as the only layer and the best SAM the UK has is truly awful. If you happen to have a vehicle capable of traveling throught the air and you happen to come across a UK deck well then GG. :|
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Re: Tracked Rapier, this is how you fix it.

Postby Firesparks » Sat 25 May 2013 02:25

if the rapier really is this crappy, then at least increase its availability and lower its price. At the last the play can saturate his entire backyard with crappy Radar AA

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Re: Tracked Rapier, this is how you fix it.

Postby fiese_moep » Sat 25 May 2013 02:43

I personally like the rapiersystem vs aircrafts.

Ok short range and so on, but it shoots all 8 rockets one after another with no break.
Its cheap. Thier aa gun needs a buff maybe its pretty weak for 30.

Vs Helos is a other thing...

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