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Re: Units needed for DLC

Postby Brutoni » Fri 31 May 2013 11:48

Don't think USSR or US need any more units. Many of the minor nations have units that could be included and would create more varied gameplay so they deserve first look.


Although Canada, Poland and the like should come first I do wonder why UK has no;


Sea Harrier FA.2, well within timeline as a prototype
Challeneger 1 Mark 2 well within timeline as prototype
Bucaneer FAA version
Phantom FAA version
RAF Lightening
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Re: Units needed for DLC

Postby Grabbed_by_the_Spets » Fri 31 May 2013 11:55

[EUG]MadMat wrote:
Grabbed_by_the_Spets wrote:Czechoslovakia: The "Tube" nation as like to call it! with the most famous artillery, ATGM's and recoiless rifles of PACT, these guys make nice specialists! Omnipresent on ground but vulnerable in air! These guys don't need very much to help their plight!

Suggested units:
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Strela-3: more important in CZ than in EG and Poland IMO as these guys don't have a Strela 3 mobile platform!

They have Iglas on the Strop 2 ... Image


that's why I asked for Strela-3, not all of us want to play post-1985 ;)

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Grabbed_by_the_Spets wrote:S-300 (Prototype): Only really consider this if you are adamant on not giving East Germany the S-300's, this long range missile system could be a national exclusive for NVA and have a similar stat to the Buk's and buk-M1's Soviets have in game.


The S-300 is a completly different beast than the Buks. It is a long range SAM system, the buk is a medium range SAM system. It would not fit the current scope of the game, as one unit would cover the whole map. And it would make more sense to give it to the CCCP.

And NATO would need a counter. Patriot for US? This is a very stupid suggestion.


We can have them act like Buk's for the sake of balance ;) And as I said, it's only a consideration to add some mix into the pot if Eugen doesn't want to add Buk's into East Germany...

As for all your suggestions, I will look into them :D As of right now only up to late 80's and will only add units that fill in what would be an empty niche otherwise unfulfilled by this current roster :D
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Re: Units needed for DLC

Postby [EUG]MadMat » Fri 31 May 2013 12:10

Nice work.

Grabbed_by_the_Spets wrote:If Eugen doesn't want to add unit DLC, consider this a suggestive list for W:ALB2!

We will.

Grabbed_by_the_Spets wrote:East Germany: Probably the nation with most lacking in PACT, it feels like it's supposed to be a jack-of-all-trades, but is really lacking in any unique or standout units of itself, so my proposal is to make it a more AA and aircraft centric deck, as that isn't a role filled by NSWP units, and East Germany did have one of the largest AA defense systems IIRC!

Suggested units:
    MiG-29A: Brought and received around 1988(prototype status ingame), the MiG 29's we're the pride of the Luftstreitkräfte der Nationalen Volksarmee, and even used by the Luftwaffe for a time after the reunification! I suggested this as the NVA, despite having the second largest PACT air force, lacks many stand-out aircraft besides the Su-22M4. Relying on inadequate R-60's and an inaccurate SemActRadar missile, NVA is crying out for a propper interceptor. The MiG-29A can give more reliable missiles and a propper ECM to a desperately lacking airforce.

    Strela-3's and IGLA squads:
    Strela-3's are well within all pact nations limits, forcing all of them to rely on blowpipe level strela-2M's seems a very forced hindrance, not only that, but East Germany we're one of the biggest users of the Igla before it's reform, using a less complicated IR system, these missiles weren't as accurate as Soviet ones but still packed one hell of a punch! Iglas can be prototype to avoid having too many Igla squads in multinational deck!

    Krug-M1: A pre-1975 Kub basically, why? so a pre-1975 deck has a much needed radar system, have it 6 HE and 5 Accuracy and it will go nicely with the Strela-1! And East Germany were up the arse full of these things!

    Buks: not M1's, just normal Buks! Although East-Germany did not "own" any Buk missile systems, they had propper encampments designed specifically for the Kub, and Buk missiles in case they we're to go to war, in which the Soviets would lend them the missiles!

    S-300 (Prototype): Only really consider this if you are adamant on not giving East Germany the S-300's, this long range missile system could be a national exclusive for NVA and have a similar stat to the Buk's and buk-M1's Soviets have in game.

    More modern OSA and shilka platforms: As with Poland, they only get the arse end in units despite have the upgraded and overhauled units IRL, in fact, most of the units ingame are more downgraded than they should be! Units are already in Soviet Union so just give them a reskin!

    Command Trabant: Because it's a god dammed command Trabant!

    Konkurs infantry team: Same goes for Czechoslovakia, both these nations use the same missle system, and if the Soviets get to use it on their produced platforms? Why not Czech and NVA? IIRC Poland used these very sparingly, and they already have a metis team for extra AP.

Strela-3 weren't used by NVA, they went straight from Strela-2M to Igla, but after 1985 (1988?).
Granting them the Strela-3 for the FASTA-4 was already a "generous move from their great socialist Eastern brother".
As far as I know, NVA only had the original Shilka. I know they had plan to upgrade them to M variant (aka Biryusa), but I've never seen documents saying they actually did. Finally, they had planed to buy Tunguska in the late 80's, but History saw to it that they never had any either ...
As for the Konkurs, NVA only had them for the 9P148 (aka BRDM-2 Konkurs).

Grabbed_by_the_Spets wrote:West Germany: Just lacks a couple of cherries on top!

    Redeye squad (Who's name I will edit in as soon as I remember how to spell): as West Germany is too vulnerable to helicopters as of right now, but buffing the Roland more would cause it to be pretty gamebreaking...

Fliegerfaust must be the name you're trying to recall ... ;)

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Re: Units needed for DLC

Postby S-8coming » Fri 31 May 2013 12:14

Grabbed_by_the_Spets wrote:So there are all units we want added in ALB and as appreciative of the very impressive 800 units..

But there are some holes in a lot of nations with some unnecessary holes and exclusions from a lot of nations, making them unnecessarily harder than they should. So I've packed together a list of units that are both historically accurate and would add alot to the nations gain!

Now, I'm by no means a military expert, and the vast majority of my selections will be PACT as I have not had enough time playing NATO to know about their decks enough, so feel free to add some of yours. If Eugen doesn't want to add unit DLC, consider this a suggestive list for W:ALB2!

East Germany: Probably the nation with most lacking in PACT, it feels like it's supposed to be a jack-of-all-trades, but is really lacking in any unique or standout units of itself, so my proposal is to make it a more AA and aircraft centric deck, as that isn't a role filled by NSWP units, and East Germany did have one of the largest AA defense systems IIRC!

Suggested units:
    MiG-29A: Brought and received around 1988(prototype status ingame), the MiG 29's we're the pride of the Luftstreitkräfte der Nationalen Volksarmee, and even used by the Luftwaffe for a time after the reunification! I suggested this as the NVA, despite having the second largest PACT air force, lacks many stand-out aircraft besides the Su-22M4. Relying on inadequate R-60's and an inaccurate SemActRadar missile, NVA is crying out for a propper interceptor. The MiG-29A can give more reliable missiles and a propper ECM to a desperately lacking airforce.

    Strela-3's and IGLA squads:
    Strela-3's are well within all pact nations limits, forcing all of them to rely on blowpipe level strela-2M's seems a very forced hindrance, not only that, but East Germany we're one of the biggest users of the Igla before it's reform, using a less complicated IR system, these missiles weren't as accurate as Soviet ones but still packed one hell of a punch! Iglas can be prototype to avoid having too many Igla squads in multinational deck!

    Krug-M1: A pre-1975 Kub basically, why? so a pre-1975 deck has a much needed radar system, have it 6 HE and 5 Accuracy and it will go nicely with the Strela-1! And East Germany were up the arse full of these things!

    Buks: not M1's, just normal Buks! Although East-Germany did not "own" any Buk missile systems, they had propper encampments designed specifically for the Kub, and Buk missiles in case they we're to go to war, in which the Soviets would lend them the missiles!

    S-300 (Prototype): Only really consider this if you are adamant on not giving East Germany the S-300's, this long range missile system could be a national exclusive for NVA and have a similar stat to the Buk's and buk-M1's Soviets have in game.

    More modern OSA and shilka platforms: As with Poland, they only get the arse end in units despite have the upgraded and overhauled units IRL, in fact, most of the units ingame are more downgraded than they should be! Units are already in Soviet Union so just give them a reskin!

    Command Trabant: Because it's a god dammed command Trabant!

    Konkurs infantry team: Same goes for Czechoslovakia, both these nations use the same missle system, and if the Soviets get to use it on their produced platforms? Why not Czech and NVA? IIRC Poland used these very sparingly, and they already have a metis team for extra AP.


Poland: Is a nation that likes to get up close and personal with their battles, as evidenced by their upamoured ATGM incapable tanks and heavy infantry squads, probably the strongest of all NSWP as of now. Their lack of modern airfoce shows their tendency for CQC but still has some holes in it!

Suggested units:
    TS-11 Iskra: Polands airforce in unique in the fact that it has a napalm bomber, however this is brought at a huge cost as Poland has no cluster bomber of their own, making it difficult to clear out heavily amoured targets from hard-to-reach places, and besides that, the TS-11 was one of the most requested Polish planes. Why not hit 2 stones with 1 bird and add a TS-11 with some 400kg bombs? it is a light bomber after all!

    Buk: Like East Germany, these guys lack a decent AA, Kub's just don't cut the cheese

    Strela-3 squad:
    See Reasons in East Germany!

    Upgraded OSA and Shilka: See reasons in East Germany!

Czechoslovakia: The "Tube" nation as like to call it! with the most famous artillery, ATGM's and recoiless rifles of PACT, these guys make nice specialists! Omnipresent on ground but vulnerable in air! These guys don't need very much to help their plight!

Suggested units:
    Strela-3: more important in CZ than in EG and Poland IMO as these guys don't have a Strela 3 mobile platform!

    Konkurs infantry team: Same reason as East Germany, they use the same platforms so there is no reason to give USSR these but not CZ or EG!


USSR:
Probably the most self sufficient nation across the board, but is still missing some units:
    BMD: An air-mobile BMP-2 basically, It would be very nice for an airborne deck as they don't really have a reliable ATGM platform!


I think most things what missing to east german missing to ČSLA too.

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Re: Units needed for DLC

Postby wekwek_noob » Fri 31 May 2013 12:15

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wekwek_noob wrote:2A5s?? That would mean Leclercs...that would mean....dun dun dun...more advanced ATGMs on PACT tanks and T-90s themselves. Also the Kornets....and the Invar-Ms....and more advanced versions of the Kobra, and the late production model of the Svir/Reflex, no please. Oh if someone said Javelin, I say Metis-M. (Also ikalugin will flood more suggestions and ultimately make PACT OP :D )


I'd risk it for the M1A2, Javelin ATGM, TOW-2B, and AH-64D with Longbow Hellfires. But all of this is way out of the timeline.

Why no love for the Marder 2 IFV? The cult of the autocannon should pick up the call!


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Re: Units needed for DLC

Postby loosebruce » Fri 31 May 2013 12:40

While we are talking Autocannons, why can't the USSR have this BTR

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Re: Units needed for DLC

Postby Banzinou » Fri 31 May 2013 12:52

loosebruce wrote:While we are talking Autocannons, why can't the USSR have this BTR

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Re: Units needed for DLC

Postby s4nk4 » Fri 31 May 2013 13:02

why not the AMX Leclerc?
It entered in french army at 1991.

The mirage 2000-5 entered in 1997 (perhaps too young ;) )

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Re: Units needed for DLC

Postby Yuibernd » Fri 31 May 2013 14:48

[EUG]MadMat wrote:Nice work.

Grabbed_by_the_Spets wrote:If Eugen doesn't want to add unit DLC, consider this a suggestive list for W:ALB2!

We will.

:o
YES!

Btw, will we ever see a "Wargame: Middle Eastern" or "Wargame: Asian Escalation"? :mrgreen:

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Re: Units needed for DLC

Postby [EUG]MadMat » Fri 31 May 2013 15:23

Yuibernd wrote:
[EUG]MadMat wrote:Nice work.

Grabbed_by_the_Spets wrote:If Eugen doesn't want to add unit DLC, consider this a suggestive list for W:ALB2!

We will.

:o
YES!

We will ... consider those suggestions.

Yuibernd wrote:Btw, will we ever see a "Wargame: Middle Eastern" or "Wargame: Asian Escalation"? :mrgreen:

Too soon to say ... ;)

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