This patch is going to completely screw the USMC.

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This patch is going to completely screw the USMC.

Postby stug41 » Wed 3 Jul 2013 11:00

"all three American LAV variant (APC, Scout & Mortar) front armor decreased from 2 to 1."
"American M48A5 USMC price increased from 20 to 25$."

The only good things are a decrease in the overpriced M60
"American M60A1 USMC price decreased from 40 to 35$"
and an increase in Skyhawks available...
"American A-4 Skyhawk II gets +1 availability per pack."

The A-6 Intruder series remains useless.

However neither the M60A1 USMC nor A-4 Skyhawk series are what make the USMC competitive. It is the LAV-25 with marines that is the bread and butter of a USMC deck.

The solution to the overuse of LAVs is NOT to nerf it, but to limit its availability by making it a USMC prototype. You already increased the price twice, just limit the availability to USMC and US national already!
The price increase for the M48A1 USMC is completely unjustified.

Why are you doing this? Why are you further limiting the viable decks?

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Re: This patch is going to completely screw the USMC.

Postby DeuZerre » Wed 3 Jul 2013 11:15

stug41 wrote:"all three American LAV variant (APC, Scout & Mortar) front armor decreased from 2 to 1."
"American M48A5 USMC price increased from 20 to 25$."

Still the only wheeled APC with autocanons of that magnitude. Saying they are useless when they were, according to you, already glass canons? So it doesn't change much anyway?
For the M48, well, I don't remember its stats.

The only good things are a decrease in the overpriced M60
"American M60A1 USMC price decreased from 40 to 35$"
and an increase in Skyhawks available...
"American A-4 Skyhawk II gets +1 availability per pack."

M60 needed that price decrease.
Skyhawks are funky anyway.


Ever tried to test them with this patch and the way bombets spread out now?

However neither the M60A1 USMC nor A-4 Skyhawk series are what make the USMC competitive. It is the LAV-25 with marines that is the bread and butter of a USMC deck.

And it shouldn't have. Relying on a single unit? Wow, great!
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Re: This patch is going to completely screw the USMC.

Postby stug41 » Wed 3 Jul 2013 11:18

The LAV-25 was what made the USMC viable, by inherent design it was what one had to depend on to gain that edge of mobility since the USMC so greatly lack in armor.

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Re: This patch is going to completely screw the USMC.

Postby GBNATO » Wed 3 Jul 2013 11:27

The frontal armor of the LAV is paper thin anyway, it could stop shell fragments and 50 cal maybe but anything with more punch would have no trouble penetrating.

-Ultra fast
-Most accurate auto cannon in the game
-Same penetration as a 40mm round
-Can murder tanks at most ranges

Why are you complaining?
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Re: This patch is going to completely screw the USMC.

Postby DeuZerre » Wed 3 Jul 2013 11:28

Was mobility changed? Nope.

Now, use the LVPT-7 for armour.
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Re: This patch is going to completely screw the USMC.

Postby stug41 » Wed 3 Jul 2013 11:30

GBNATO wrote:The frontal armor of the LAV is paper thin anyway, it could stop shell fragments and 50 cal maybe but anything with more punch would have no trouble penetrating.


Same as BMP series but that doesn't seem relevant in french fantasy land.

-Ultra fast
-Most accurate auto cannon in the game
-Same penetration as a 40mm round
-Can murder tanks at most ranges

Why are you complaining?

Did you bother to read the post?

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Re: This patch is going to completely screw the USMC.

Postby stug41 » Wed 3 Jul 2013 11:33

DeuZerre wrote:Was mobility changed? Nope.

Now, use the LVPT-7 for armour.


This nerf only serves to discourage smarter gameplay and leaves one less viable deck. The risk of losing 55 points easily to very weak guns is now too great. Coupled with the US Army buffs it gives little reason for players who want to enjoy the game to choose USMC over Army. You mock me when you haven't even bothered to click the links to the information you lack, how little integrity have you, shame. Your half-assed logic doesn't justify squat.

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Re: This patch is going to completely screw the USMC.

Postby Breadbox » Wed 3 Jul 2013 11:35

Lav25 is now autocanon apc.....
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Should get a price decrease.
Btw Intruder is quite good now.

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Re: This patch is going to completely screw the USMC.

Postby GBNATO » Wed 3 Jul 2013 11:37

stug41 wrote:
GBNATO wrote:The frontal armor of the LAV is paper thin anyway, it could stop shell fragments and 50 cal maybe but anything with more punch would have no trouble penetrating.


Same as BMP series but that doesn't seem relevant in french fantasy land.

-Ultra fast
-Most accurate auto cannon in the game
-Same penetration as a 40mm round
-Can murder tanks at most ranges

Why are you complaining?

Did you bother to read the post?


Actually I did, bitching about the LAV's frontal armor if I recall and how this makes the USMC deck less viable. The USMC is the most viable marine deck in the game BY FAR it is better than certain nations altogether and the reduction of frontal armor by one is not going to change that.
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Re: This patch is going to completely screw the USMC.

Postby Leviathan » Wed 3 Jul 2013 11:37

smaller than 1000 kg HE load-outs seem to do decent damage now. Just tested it, so go: try the intruder. the big nukes do less now then they did before. I'm quite content with that. And be honest: LAV is still a very potent killer. Before it was more like "put them in the forest and forget about them. They'll kill anything. Just come in to loot the corpses" now you'll have to look after them every couple of minutes :P
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