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Conquest Mode Review

Posted: Thu 1 Aug 2013 20:59
by naizarak
Having played a few games, I think conquest mode has potential but it's still flawed in the same, familiar ways.

The game is still decided by the early rush. Once a player secures the important parts of the map and gains a victory point advantage, they have no reason to attack(which makes sense). Now unlike destruction, the defenders actually have to counter attack and can't just sit back behind their lines of defenses.

The idea is good and the way game should be played, but the problem is that income points also scale with sectors. How are the losers meant to recover and successfully gain back territory when they're on the offensive - an inherent disadvantage - AND down on income points?

Logic states that income points need to be kept completely separate from victory points, and equal for both teams. Or it needs to be inversely proportional to your victory point income.



TLDR:
Conquest is inherently broken, the losers have no way of counterattacking because of the income system.


EDIT:Can we just agree that the best way of fixing conquest would be to:
a)equalize income for both teams
b)significantly increase the point limit

Re: Conquest Mode Review

Posted: Thu 1 Aug 2013 21:02
by -HP-
Haven't played it yet but I'm disappointed to hear the deployment points still scale with map control. I definitely agree that deployment points should be equal for both teams throughout the match to allow the losing side to mount counterattacks.

Re: Conquest Mode Review

Posted: Thu 1 Aug 2013 21:05
by Doeko
1) I agree that conquest would be better if income were to be sepparated from the zones
2) In a way, I also disagree. Because if you take a lot of space then you need income from that space in order to be able to defend it. If points did not scale it would be too difficult to keep sectors
2.1) Since it is hard to attack, this may be somewhat fair

!) Conquest is still 100x better than destruction. In destruction many players actually don't even bother with the middle of the map and just camp on their side, letting you come to them (inevitably running into ATGM and all sorts of other solid defences). This (annoying) strategy will not be viable anymore with conquest.

ALso there is no reason to not sit back when you have the tactical advantage, imo. This game isn't built to end with a rush to the enemy's base and completely destroy him (except TD, but TD sucks in a lot of ways). The game is to seize the advantage and then keep it, forcing the other's hand to recapture the advantage.

Re: Conquest Mode Review

Posted: Thu 1 Aug 2013 21:15
by rrev
Yep, just rush the key positions with helos and your own anti-helo plane and then sit there, alt-TABing once in a while :D
Still a fun and intense game mode, sometimes.

Re: Conquest Mode Review

Posted: Thu 1 Aug 2013 21:16
by M3SS3NG3R
Can't say I'm surprised to hear this. We called it out like half a month ago.

Ways to fix it:

1. Lower income for the middle zones that will be contested during the initial rush. Increase income for the starting zones.

2. Bigger maps to allow more possibilities of flanking maneuver/ambush. This will also increase the difficulty of resupplying the defending front.

Re: Conquest Mode Review

Posted: Thu 1 Aug 2013 21:27
by saber2243
Play the maps the were built for the mode such as MORA where all the center zones are worth 2 points so a 2-4 point income advantage isn't that big of a deal

Re: Conquest Mode Review

Posted: Thu 1 Aug 2013 21:31
by solaris
More to the point:

Just like economy, the players who are under the most pressure to advance are the players least able to do so.

Re: Conquest Mode Review

Posted: Thu 1 Aug 2013 21:33
by M3SS3NG3R
solaris wrote:More to the point:

Just like economy, the players who are under the most pressure to advance are the players least able to do so.


True, but at least trying to advance doesn't directly lead to said player shooting himself in the foot in the process :mrgreen:

Re: Conquest Mode Review

Posted: Thu 1 Aug 2013 21:34
by zach5421
I just finished a 2v2 with a 800 point goal and on Copenhagen for 1 hour and it was really fun on our left we pushed forward and got counterattacked and pushed back on on the right it was tank and atgm chaos were nether me or him knew if we could hold of at the end I ran out of units and ammo. It was the most fun i had in a while.

Re: Conquest Mode Review

Posted: Thu 1 Aug 2013 21:40
by DiabloTigerSix
W:EE CQ mechanics, please.