The Ka-50 should be a SEAD / AA helicopter

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The Ka-50 should be a SEAD / AA helicopter

Postby mcmatthew » Wed 23 Oct 2013 03:29

The Ka-50 is able to carry Kh-25MP anti radiation missiles and R-73 Vympel AA missiles which would make it unique as an AA/SEAD helicopter. I feel a lot of the units are too similar with just different models and stats and a unique unit like this would be awesome. Also i always experience Radar AA spam and this unit good against both Radar AA and aircraft would make non Radar AA much more useful and partially stop Radar AA spam.

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Re: The Ka-50 should be a SEAD / AA helicopter

Postby wargamer1985 » Wed 23 Oct 2013 03:35

Just fyi asking it to change to a AA chopper may confuse people as it already is...
on topic: if the Ka-50 is to get a buff so should other expensive, No real reason to use them units (AH-1W)
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Postby mcmatthew » Wed 23 Oct 2013 03:39

It is technically an AA chopper because it has iglas but those suck and it can carry R-73s which are pretty much sidewinders. The supercobra gets sidewinders and not stingers so it would only be fair.

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Postby wargamer1985 » Wed 23 Oct 2013 03:48

mcmatthew wrote:It is technically an AA chopper because it has iglas but those suck and it can carry R-73s which are pretty much sidewinders. The supercobra gets sidewinders and not stingers so it would only be fair.

trust me, I would rather have stingers on my AH-1W then Sidewinders, sidewinders give 250m extra range over the cannon, woop-de-do...but it has 3500 anti-air! yes but that is very useless (please correct me, I would love to find a tactic to shoot down planes with heli-borne sidewinders) the plane has A. more HP B. More speed (AH-1W has very low time to react to 1000km/h planes) C. is on the defensive (fighter chooses were and when to attack the chopper) D. outgunned (cannon does any were from 1-4 damage)
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Re: The Ka-50 should be a SEAD / AA helicopter

Postby alphazulu90 » Wed 23 Oct 2013 03:58

wargamer1985 wrote:
mcmatthew wrote:It is technically an AA chopper because it has iglas but those suck and it can carry R-73s which are pretty much sidewinders. The supercobra gets sidewinders and not stingers so it would only be fair.

trust me, I would rather have stingers on my AH-1W then Sidewinders, sidewinders give 250m extra range over the cannon, woop-de-do...but it has 3500 anti-air! yes but that is very useless (please correct me, I would love to find a tactic to shoot down planes with heli-borne sidewinders) the plane has A. more HP B. More speed (AH-1W has very low time to react to 1000km/h planes) C. is on the defensive (fighter chooses were and when to attack the chopper) D. outgunned (cannon does any were from 1-4 damage)


in my experience, I have taken down quite a few good planes down with them, but this is mainly my enemy not taking them into account and or when they try to sweep around my guys. But I think they're only effective in pairs, and I wouldn't think of getting rid of them

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Re: The Ka-50 should be a SEAD / AA helicopter

Postby Torrisco » Wed 23 Oct 2013 04:24

Currently it's expensive, does not have 10hp, only 2 ATGMs, expensive supply, loooooong reload.
i would prefer to have akula:

1/ with S-80 rockets + igla by 90pts
would be a fast support helo, being a bit cheaper, could be used to scort airborne infantry and face other helos.. more or less like the Sokol, but with better autocannon, speed and maneuverability.
2/ 12 vikhr + 4 igla by 160pts
would be a very realistic load out, its a prototype and in fact few of them have been built, so i wouldn't mind to have 1 card with just 2 hardened or 1 veteran of theese.

i don't want R-73 unless the range vs helos is increased at least to match the best manpads range and with the current system having anti radiation missiles would make it totally OP since RAD AA couldn't engage it at max range (being a helo), so it would have free way to kill any RAD AA without risk.
Any way the use of those weapons would make it too specialised and probably less used than you can imagine. You just have to check how many people use the AH-1W.
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Re: The Ka-50 should be a SEAD / AA helicopter

Postby cerevox » Wed 23 Oct 2013 04:54

The akula is already kind of anti-radar. Most radar AA has 2800 helo range or less, so if you micro the akula you can outrange them. It might only have 2 atgm, but you are supposed to snipe with them, not just fire at whatever happens to come into range.
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Re: The Ka-50 should be a SEAD / AA helicopter

Postby zbone » Wed 23 Oct 2013 05:09

cerevox wrote:The akula is already kind of anti-radar. Most radar AA has 2800 helo range or less, so if you micro the akula you can outrange them. It might only have 2 atgm, but you are supposed to snipe with them, not just fire at whatever happens to come into range.

Snipe what AA exactly? The one not in forest and not covered by Gepard? What would that be? Someone playing Sweden poorly or USSR vs PACT? :)

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Re: The Ka-50 should be a SEAD / AA helicopter

Postby cerevox » Wed 23 Oct 2013 05:25

AA in forest is easy to spot with recon inf. Just push some recon inf out towards hostile lines, spot the weak stuff near the front, squeeze the akula forward and snipe. It has medium stealth so they can't see it 1/2 way across the map like most attack helos and its atgm move pretty quick so it can hit and run.

It is actually a pretty decent helo when microed carefully near static lines.
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Re: The Ka-50 should be a SEAD / AA helicopter

Postby zbone » Wed 23 Oct 2013 05:31

Right :)
Just as I said, against a noob or a poorly played Sweden this could work if you micro Akula flawlessly to not fall through 200m deep into 2800m range before opening fire.

Awesome SEAD helicopter worth 1 deck slot :)

If only I could shell that AA piece so conveniently discovered by my recon infantry and not risk my precious 140pts helicopter. Oh, wait... I can!

You know what? T-80UK is an awesome SEAD tank with its 2800m ATGM. It only takes to reckon that AA with your infantry and it takes only one cerevox post to make ALB shine in a new light.
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