The Ka-50 should be a SEAD / AA helicopter

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Re: The Ka-50 should be a SEAD / AA helicopter

Postby another505 » Fri 25 Oct 2013 07:04

ka50 op?? no way.....its balance i will say

It atgm capability, i will still give it to apache which is only 3 ap short but has 8 FandF missile

the anti air capability is pretty good but i rarely want to risk it, i always veteran it , so i only get 2

to me, akula is special operation helicopter

eliminate Heavy tanks such as leo2a4/m1a1/ lol challenger

Eliminate enemy heli such as apache/sea hawks

however, i dont use it against AA cause the range nerf and the range buff to AA, it was viable but hard before the nerf. getting in the perfect range by microing, then turning on the atgm to shoot 2 missile that you hope it hits

lots of time i over shoot and fly in aa range or i turn on the atgm and it shoots some useless stuff and probably miss lol

all in all, is a special helicopter, but having a sead heli in RD will be cool
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Re: The Ka-50 should be a SEAD / AA helicopter

Postby Babubudu » Fri 25 Oct 2013 09:58

Xeno426 wrote:Why would the Ka-50's cannon be better than that on the Mi-28 or BMP-2? I would certainly agree that both need an improvement in their accuracy, and I'd love to see better range as well (for the AH-64 too).


As mentioned before - gun mounted under nose (like Mi-28 or almost any other heli) provides lot's of vibration. (Ka-50 in the middle where's lowest vibration)
BMP-2 - same gun but not the same stabilizer and targeting system. As for AP - yes, must agree, it must be same.
But just look what situation we have now:
AH-1E Cobra (65 pts) / AH-64 Apache / Ka-50
Range 1575 / 1575 / 1575
Acc 4 / 5 / 3
AP 2 / 2 / 2
HE 1 / 1 / 1
RoF 240 / 260 / 139
Stab. Normal / Normal / None

So we few problems:
A) Accuracy - it cant be lower than guns mounted under the nose
B) AP/HE - AH-64 don't have ability to change ammo on the fly but they use munition with HE/armor penetration capability, but it can;t be so effective as real HE and AP. Light increase would be fair (both for AP and HE also for BMP-2 and Mi-28) But it's ok, even as it is it's ok for gameplay.
C) RoF 139? Why? It must be minimum 300 (sustained) >600 max in reality. So please make it at least 260.
D) Stabilizer - now we have no stabilizer at all, and this is biggest problem, stabilizer must be normal at minimum, but preferably GOOD.

A and D is most important, other's just to consider.

P.S. Also Ka-50 needs more HP, it's insane when one squad shoots down Ka-50 in few seconds with their rifles, increased hp will fix this. I think this is badly needed fix for this heli.
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Re: The Ka-50 should be a SEAD / AA helicopter

Postby Bryan » Fri 25 Oct 2013 10:11

Spoiler : :
Babubudu wrote:
Xeno426 wrote:Why would the Ka-50's cannon be better than that on the Mi-28 or BMP-2? I would certainly agree that both need an improvement in their accuracy, and I'd love to see better range as well (for the AH-64 too).


As mentioned before - gun mounted under nose (like Mi-28 or almost any other heli) provides lot's of vibration. (Ka-50 in the middle where's lowest vibration)
BMP-2 - same gun but not the same stabilizer and targeting system. As for AP - yes, must agree, it must be same.
But just look what situation we have now:
AH-1E Cobra (65 pts) AH-64 Apache Ka-50
Range 1575 1575 1575
Acc 4 5 3
AP 2 2 2
HE 1 1 1
RoF 240 260 139
Stab. Normal Normal None

So we few problems:
A) Accuracy - it cant be lower than guns mounted under the nose
B) AP/HE - AH-64 don't have ability to change ammo on the fly but they use munition with HE/armor penetration capability, but it can;t be so effective as real HE and AP. Light increase would be fair (both for AP and HE also for BMP-2 and Mi-28) But it's ok, even as it is it's ok for gameplay.
C) RoF 139? Why? It must be minimum 300 (sustained) >600 max in reality. So please make it at least 260.
D) Stabilizer - now we have no stabilizer at all, and this is biggest problem, stabilizer must be normal at minimum, but preferably GOOD.

A and D is most important, other's just to consider.

P.S. Also Ka-50 needs more HP, it's insane when one squad shoots down Ka-50 in few seconds with their rifles, increased hp will fix this. I think this is badly needed fix for this heli.

No.
The KA-50 is armoured to 1 therefore it is impervious to Small Arms Fire.
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Re: The Ka-50 should be a SEAD / AA helicopter

Postby DeuZerre » Fri 25 Oct 2013 10:13

Bryan wrote:No.
The KA-50 is armoured to 1 therefore it is impervious to Small Arms Fire.

Don't quote big posts right above yours, or spoiler them...

"resilient", not impervious.
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Re: The Ka-50 should be a SEAD / AA helicopter

Postby Babubudu » Fri 25 Oct 2013 10:16

Yes armed to 1 (same as Ka-29) meanwhile Ka-29 have much more survivability than Ka-50 and this is EPIC :)

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Re: The Ka-50 should be a SEAD / AA helicopter

Postby Xeno426 » Fri 25 Oct 2013 16:01

Babubudu wrote:As mentioned before - gun mounted under nose (like Mi-28 or almost any other heli) provides lot's of vibration. (Ka-50 in the middle where's lowest vibration)

This is quite known to me, as I have made similar suggestions in the past. The problem is that Eugen isn't hot on the idea of making a unique gun for the Ka-50.

Xeno426 wrote:I should have been more specific; I meant why should it have better AP?

IMO while I'd like to see the Ka-50's 2A42 have greater range than that of the Mi-28, this would require Eugen to make a new weapon for the Ka-50, which they aren't likely to do (they've said as much in the past). It's more likely that their 2A42 will end up with stats mirroring the BMP-2 Obr 1986's cannon.
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Re: The Ka-50 should be a SEAD / AA helicopter

Postby mrl0ve » Fri 25 Oct 2013 16:12

All helicopter cannons deserve a range increase, not only the Akula.

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Re: The Ka-50 should be a SEAD / AA helicopter

Postby Mobius » Fri 25 Oct 2013 18:55

Babubudu wrote:A) Accuracy - it cant be lower than guns mounted under the nose

D) Stabilizer - now we have no stabilizer at all, and this is biggest problem, stabilizer must be normal at minimum, but preferably GOOD.

I agree with A.
However, I think the reason for D might also be because the gun is not turret mounted: As far as I know, none of the helicopters with fixed guns (Gazelle Canon, Lynx AH.7 20mm, Mi-24P) have stabilizers.

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Re: The Ka-50 should be a SEAD / AA helicopter

Postby Babubudu » Sun 27 Oct 2013 11:41

Ka-50 in RL is able to hit target on the fly with amazing accuracy. Just in needs to point that direction (but Ka-50 is able to fly one way even when pointed at other)

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Re: The Ka-50 should be a SEAD / AA helicopter

Postby mcmatthew » Sun 23 Mar 2014 01:19

Just saw the recon ka-52 in red dragon. I Demand royalties!

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