Inaccuracies in the description of Soviet tanks

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Inaccuracies in the description of Soviet tanks

Postby Alexander » Wed 30 Oct 2013 14:42

Good day!

I'll try to make his observations regarding the inaccuracies in the game. Let's start with the T-64. The issue of accuracy: the T-64A(ob.434) precision is 6 the T-64B (ob.447A) accuracy is only 7, while the introduction of new (first time in the world) automated fire control system 1А33 increased the effectiveness of 1.6 times in comparison with the T-64A!

A T-64BV,B1V (ob.447A,437A) was even better due to the new stabilizer (2Э42) and the new gun (2А46М-1) Why don't we see this in the game? A tank developers have called the T-64BM (ob.476), about him not even know in KGB :) , because their was released 5 pieces in the army, they were not... the pictures are marked inaccuracies in the text of the description of the tanks. Thank you for your attention and for a good game!

T-64A
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T-64B
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T-64B1V
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T-64BV
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Sources:

Т-64B,B1,BV,B1V:

1) Объект 447А (437А). Техническое описание и инструкция по эксплуатации. Книга 1. Воениздат, 1985 г.;

2) Объект 447А (437А). Техническое описание и инструкция по эксплуатации. Книга 2. Воениздат, 1985 г.

Т-64А:

1) Объект 434. Техническое описание и инструкция по эксплуатации. Книга 1. Воениздат, 1986 г.;

2) Объект 434. Техническое описание и инструкция по эксплуатации. Книга 2. Воениздат, 1986.


T-80.

Let's talk about the T-80, in the game there are differences with the T-64, although the fire control system is completely identical to the T-64, portrayed in the pictures. Thank you for your attention!

T-80 (ob.219)
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T-80B (ob.219R)
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T-80BV (ob.219RV)
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And now separately: T-80A (об.219А) the predecessor of the T-80U main battle tank (ob.219AC) Have very many common elements such as tower, armour protection, etc. in the game inaccurately displayed both in the field of weapons and the protection of...

As an offer or bring to the level of the T-80U tank, either replace the T-80BV

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Sources:

1) Объект 219Р. Техническое описание и инструкция по эксплуатации. Книга 1;

2) Объект 219Р. Техническое описание и инструкция по эксплуатации. Книга 2;

3) Объект 219Р. Памятка экипажу по эксплуатации. 1979;

4) Объект 219Р. Памятка командиру. 1987.djvu.


T-72 Family.
T-72 (ob.172M)
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T-72A (ob.176)

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T-72B or B1(ob.184)

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Sources:

1) Объект 184. Техническое описание и инструкция по эксплуатации 1995;

2) Объект 176. Техническое описание и инструкция по эксплуатации 1989;

3) Объект 172М. Руководство по войсковому ремонту 1976;

4) Объект 184. Комплекс управляемого вооружения 9К120 2001.
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Re: Inaccuracies in the description of Soviet tanks

Postby Bryan » Wed 30 Oct 2013 14:49

Good eye for detail. Agree completely.

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Re: Inaccuracies in the description of Soviet tanks

Postby Azaz3l » Wed 30 Oct 2013 14:57

Many tank accuracy and stabiliser values are left like that for game balance. I guess devs didn't go that deep enough in tank armament nomenclature. There are more accuracy errors than that in soviet tanks when you relate them with other tanks.
Side note on the T-64B vs BV accuracy: T-64BV used an upgraded 2A46M gun which improved accuracy a little, it's fair that T-64BV gets better accuracy when compared to its previous model.
Also gun naming on T-55s is wrong, D-10 is a WW2 gun used in tank destroyers and some experimental tanks. T-55 received an upgraded version with bore evacuator and other stuff I don't remember. D-10T on all T-55 series should be renamed to D-10T2S.
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Re: Inaccuracies in the description of Soviet tanks

Postby Alexander » Wed 30 Oct 2013 15:04

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Re: Inaccuracies in the description of Soviet tanks

Postby Alexander » Wed 30 Oct 2013 15:10

Bryan wrote:Good eye for detail. Agree completely.


;)

Azaz3l wrote:Many tank accuracy.


The balance of such games is incorrect, I believe it is better to have a balanced maps than weapons.

Regarding the T-64B, BV:

According to documents, T-64B efficiently T-64A precisely 1.6 times, respectively accuracy of the T-64B in the game will be around 9 :D and T-64BV in 10-11 ;)

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Re: Inaccuracies in the description of Soviet tanks

Postby von_bock » Wed 30 Oct 2013 15:20

While we're at it, let's whine about the 9K118 Sheksna/Bastion asshattery.

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Re: Inaccuracies in the description of Soviet tanks

Postby Azaz3l » Wed 30 Oct 2013 15:22

von_bock wrote:While we're at it, let's whine about the 9K118 Sheksna/Bastion a$$hattery.

Let's also whine about Svir/Reflex
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Re: Inaccuracies in the description of Soviet tanks

Postby Borscht » Wed 30 Oct 2013 15:46

Let's just whine. But back to the topic.
Is there any chance of devs trying to make the in-game stats at least partially reflect the real life equipment? Or everything is mashed for the sake of balance?
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Re: Inaccuracies in the description of Soviet tanks

Postby von_bock » Wed 30 Oct 2013 15:50

Borscht wrote:Let's just whine. But back to the topic.
Is there any chance of devs trying to make the in-game stats at least partially reflect the real life equipment? Or everything is mashed for the sake of balance?


I'm afraid it's the latter. We're playing a game of D&D 3.5 in actuality. What you perceive as a Svir is actually a +3 arrow of fail. Hellfire are Magic Missile spells cast by lvl 3 wizards with Boots of Levitation equipped.

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Re: Inaccuracies in the description of Soviet tanks

Postby Vestly » Wed 30 Oct 2013 15:53

I like it , but it would start global NATO fanboys whining.

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