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Re: Historical Deck Resource (Playing non-WAB things in WAB!

Postby Commissar Fuklaw » Tue 14 May 2013 02:23

M38A1 106mm added to Argentina unit sources.

Working on goodies then will look at Spain and Finland
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Re: Historical Deck Resource (Playing non-WAB things in WAB!

Postby dimitri18 » Tue 14 May 2013 02:58

Commissar Fuklaw wrote:So, in addition to the Vietnam/75 thing... I've taken on a few other projects.

Mind you, ALL OF THESE are permanently Works in Progress as I often get corrected on some little error somewhere. I try not to fall to it, but it happens.

With that said, these decks are "historical" decks. Starting with the Gulf War (1990) and going down, these are unit limits to make a force similar to a particular group. Example, the Qatar Armed Forces – Armored Brigade. You can make your deck using these unit options.

Again this isn't 100% accuracy but it is close enough and in many cases dead on. You are welcome to limit yourself to specific unit amounts (EG: Qatar only had 15 Gazelles, period.) This is all for playing historical games for fun, or just using a new deck.

I will keep all unit organization in Google Documents - simply because it makes it far easier to read/edit uniformly. Formats are not "uniform" yet - North Korea and Vietnam things are not table organized at this time.

1990 Gulf War

Vietnam War 1970-75

North Korea - 1985

Malvinas/Falklands War

Yom Kippur War -1975



More will be added as I feel it, if you wish to make your nation or favorite conflict or something along those lines, feel free to post it here. I'll verify it is close-to-accurate and organize it.

I hope you guys enjoy these. I don't know why I am compelled to do this.

Thank you to several who helped me during these processes.


Thanks a whole lot! My friends and I love doing recreation of wars of the 20th century! This is a big help! :D

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Re: Historical Deck Resource (Playing non-WAB things in WAB!

Postby TankHunter » Tue 14 May 2013 03:43

If Marder VTS-1 wasnt a prototype, it could stand in for the TAM for Argentina, granted none fought in the Falklands, what stopped them from using them? Smaller than the LVTPs probably :lol: .
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Re: Historical Deck Resource (Playing non-WAB things in WAB!

Postby catito14 » Tue 14 May 2013 16:10

TankHunter wrote:If Marder VTS-1 wasnt a prototype, it could stand in for the TAM for Argentina, granted none fought in the Falklands, what stopped them from using them? Smaller than the LVTPs probably :lol: .


The weight of the TAM (+/- 30 tn) makes it imposible to use in the soft terrain of the islands (peat). Even the AML-90 Panhard (so much lighter and with wheels) had a lot of troubles to roll in the islands, that was the reason of the use of them near the city and in a fixed position.
The LVTP-7 were used only in april 2nd, but only in the beaches and in the roads, not in offroad.

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Re: Historical Deck Resource (Playing non-WAB things in WAB!

Postby Commissar Fuklaw » Wed 15 May 2013 04:07

https://docs.google.com/document/d/13F6 ... We5orM/pub

SURPRISE!

Angola Bush Wars! Late 1980s in a period where Soviet and Cuban interests were at a maximum. This was Cuba's Vietnam. See link for Mig-21 and Mi-8 action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wlSaQqS-YU&t=37m32s

Reportedly a Soviet "General Shaganovitch" had taken command of all operations... but Russian sources say this is a false claim. West sources say it is legitimate.

Would love to see Tactical Ikalugin confirm or deny such claims. I can't find proof either way...though certainly if he was, he would be on Google much more readily? I tend to think this was a false story.

Big thanks to MadMat for the TO&Es.
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Postby Tac Error » Wed 15 May 2013 06:43

I've spoken with ikalugin on Angola and he wasn't really interested about the matter...

The Soviet Chief Military Adviser by 1987 was Petr Gusev, but as aecurtis points out in the following thread, despite the extent of Soviet aid and advisers, FAPLA was unable to put its house into order:

http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=159425
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Re: Historical Deck Resource (Playing non-WAB things in WAB!

Postby Half Life Expert » Wed 15 May 2013 20:11

Commissar Fuklaw wrote:So, in addition to the Vietnam/75 thing... I've taken on a few other projects.

Mind you, ALL OF THESE are permanently Works in Progress as I often get corrected on some little error somewhere. I try not to fall to it, but it happens.

With that said, these decks are "historical" decks. Starting with the Gulf War (1990) and going down, these are unit limits to make a force similar to a particular group. Example, the Qatar Armed Forces – Armored Brigade. You can make your deck using these unit options.

Again this isn't 100% accuracy but it is close enough and in many cases dead on. You are welcome to limit yourself to specific unit amounts (EG: Qatar only had 15 Gazelles, period.) This is all for playing historical games for fun, or just using a new deck.

I will keep all unit organization in Google Documents - simply because it makes it far easier to read/edit uniformly. Formats are not "uniform" yet - North Korea and Vietnam things are not table organized at this time.

1985 - Angola Bush Wars *Cuba, Angola, UNITA Angola Rebels, South Africa!*

1990 Gulf War

Vietnam War 1970-75

North Korea - 1985

Malvinas/Falklands War

Yom Kippur War -1975



More will be added as I feel it, if you wish to make your nation or favorite conflict or something along those lines, feel free to post it here. I'll verify it is close-to-accurate and organize it.

I hope you guys enjoy these. I don't know why I am compelled to do this.

Thank you to several who helped me during these processes.


uh, the Yom Kippur war was in 1973, not 1975

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Re: Historical Deck Resource (Playing non-WAB things in WAB!

Postby catito14 » Wed 15 May 2013 20:22

I was seeing the LVKV fm/43 and i was wrong comparing these to the Oerlikon 35mm used by Argentine forces in the war ... the swedish AAA has a twin 40mm bofors AA gun .... maybe the Gepard will fit better cause it uses a twin oerlikon 35 mm gun. Argentine also used the Rheinmetall 20 mm gun, but i dont know if the game have similar unit.

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Postby trotskygrad » Wed 15 May 2013 21:22

catito14 wrote:Argentine also used the Rheinmetall 20 mm gun, but i dont know if the game have similar unit.


VAB VDAA, dual 20mm Anti-Air ;)
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Re: Historical Deck Resource (Playing non-WAB things in WAB!

Postby [EUG]MadMat » Thu 16 May 2013 00:36

Commissar Fuklaw wrote:1985 - Angola Bush Wars *Cuba, Angola, UNITA Angola Rebels, South Africa!*

The Cubans have been testing the Czechoslovakian STROP system on a BTR-60, as on this drawing:
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Only a few vehicles were made for testing, and I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere while I was researching for EE's STROP 1 & 2 that they were sent to Angola once the project was canceled (but I can't find the source).
The closer would have have been the VAB VDAA, but since it is NATO, it can be added. Yet, the BVP-1 STROP could fit for the Cubans: not the good chassis, but the very same weapon system.

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