Finland F-18 not in the Marine deck?

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Re: Finland F-18 not in the Marine deck?

Postby Pantheon » Sat 14 Jan 2017 03:18

CloakandDagger wrote:
Pantheon wrote:There's no naval aviation. All aviation belongs to the air force (army has some choppers, inb4). Also the archipelago is so close to the shore that creating naval aviation is redundant and all the planes would take off of the airfields from mainland. If the marines need aerial help, it comes from the air force.


Exactly what I'm saying. Finnish Marines should have the same aircraft as normal airborne.


Unfortunately Eugen worked marine decks to be modeled like USMC. AFAIK it goes like that only the planes that are operated by the marines or navy get to be in the deck.

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Re: Finland F-18 not in the Marine deck?

Postby Mike » Sat 14 Jan 2017 03:26

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Mike wrote:It might not have been used in junction with the Finnish Marines. Just because the USN used it they way they did, doesn't mean the Finnish did.


The F-18 is literally a marine plane, made for carriers.

And I suppose you're going to try and convince me that Finland leaves it's marine to die with only the nuke bomber to aid them?


Made for US carriers, not Finnish. You didn't answer my question at all. You think the USAF is just gonna leave the Marines out high and dry if they needed support? But are those planes in the Marine deck?

There is criteria for it to get into Marine decks.
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Re: Finland F-18 not in the Marine deck?

Postby antizombies_boy » Sat 14 Jan 2017 03:27

CloakandDagger wrote:
Pantheon wrote:There's no naval aviation. All aviation belongs to the air force (army has some choppers, inb4). Also the archipelago is so close to the shore that creating naval aviation is redundant and all the planes would take off of the airfields from mainland. If the marines need aerial help, it comes from the air force.


Exactly what I'm saying. Finnish Marines should have the same aircraft as normal airborne.


So the real sense should be delete the finnish marine deck and add their marine units to airborne deck. Knowing that Finland hasn't heavy marine units (like tanks, IFVs, SPA or similar), add the marine units to airborne deck shouldn't be a problem, and has more sense than the oposite change.

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Re: Finland F-18 not in the Marine deck?

Postby Erwin12824 » Sat 14 Jan 2017 06:03

stop gimping marine airtabs. period.

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Re: Finland F-18 not in the Marine deck?

Postby JoonasTo » Sat 14 Jan 2017 07:59

Pantheon wrote:And AFAIK the Finnish built F-18s lack the landing gear to land in a carrier.

You would be correct. It was deemed unnecessary and excluded.
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Re: Finland F-18 not in the Marine deck?

Postby Mike » Sat 14 Jan 2017 08:32

JoonasTo wrote:
Pantheon wrote:And AFAIK the Finnish built F-18s lack the landing gear to land in a carrier.

You would be correct. It was deemed unnecessary and excluded.


I think they Candian Hornets still had it, but that's a fuzzy memory. Just a fun fact.
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Re: Finland F-18 not in the Marine deck?

Postby FrangibleCover » Sat 14 Jan 2017 10:20

By the arguments here the USMC airtab should also include USAF units based from South Korea and Japan and even further afield if we want to muck about with tanker aircraft. The Royal Marines should equally be supported by the entire RAF because part of the reason the UK had no conventional carriers was that the RAF promised they could cover the fleet wherever it deployed to. It's a difficult question really, do we remove the flavour of the big USMC style marines or do we gimp minor marine tabs?

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JoonasTo wrote:
Pantheon wrote:And AFAIK the Finnish built F-18s lack the landing gear to land in a carrier.

You would be correct. It was deemed unnecessary and excluded.

I think they Candian Hornets still had it, but that's a fuzzy memory. Just a fun fact.

The Canadian Hornets should get into the marine deck though, even if nothing else does. They're identical in stats to aircraft the US Marines did operate so NORAD Marines can justify using them and pretending the paintjob is a little different.
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Re: Finland F-18 not in the Marine deck?

Postby Vulcan 607 » Sat 14 Jan 2017 10:26

I saw a pick of a challenger 2 coming of a royal navy landing craft challengers for marines! :lol:

https://navynews.co.uk/archive/news/item/1321

Ok mate when you pick a specialised deck you can't get everything it's just how it works

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Re: Finland F-18 not in the Marine deck?

Postby CloakandDagger » Sat 14 Jan 2017 12:05

Vulcan 607 wrote:Ok mate when you pick a specialised deck you can't get everything it's just how it works


Uh, the Marine decks all around are garbage, in case you haven't noticed. Only US Marines are competitive with other good decks.

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Re: Finland F-18 not in the Marine deck?

Postby Sigirdiwarth » Sat 14 Jan 2017 15:17

CloakandDagger wrote:Uh, the Marine decks all around are garbage, in case you haven't noticed. Only US Marines are competitive with other good decks.

Competitive is a strong word, it's workable at best. There should be no limitation in the air tab.
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