No C-300 ?

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Re: No C-300 ?

Postby molnibalage » Mon 4 Sep 2017 13:53

GARGEAN wrote:0. Missed you. In game we have SAMs from at least mid-90s, when USSR struck with mid/late 80s stuff. This is stupid.

Rather is you comment is that...
Even C cat USSR deck in ALB had Buk which is quite funny. First Buk bridage was deployed in Europe in HUN in 1987 in RL...
...while in RD USSR a second iteration of the Buk...
Why? Because Eugen simply feared to add Kub besides NSWP to USSR either...

Also aso Kub uf fucked up. It was the best SAM in that time while in RD even crap Neva is superior...

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Re: No C-300 ?

Postby molnibalage » Mon 4 Sep 2017 14:00

Fodder wrote:The real reason why its not ingame.
Becuz it was design to target strategic bombers and missiles, which are not ingame

Patriots only ingame becuz US infantry sucks and USA needed motorized AA

Which kind of S-300 are we speaking?

Because S-300P series were designed for PVO and later export. So PT/PS never would face any tactical AC except some very unique places in USSR while export PMU variant with 75 km range and no command battery in NSWP would do in a war. Every S-300PMU battery had ST-68U besides the Clam Shell radar, while USSR S-300PT/PS regiment or brigades were different.

1 command battery with Big Bird radar, 360 deg. scan in azimuth, PESA in elavation.
up 4. missile battery is called S-300 regiment
5-6 missile battery is called S-300 brigade

Each missile batter had Clam Shell for low levet target search but med and high alt missile batteries got target coordiantes only from the command battery. In ultimate last chance case Flap Lid (RPN = FCR) could be used for sector search mode which was not 360 scan...

S-300V is a tottaly different animal even is called S-300. It it front level SAM for Army.
In very short here, I made for data supply for modeling SAMs and units better in a Fligth sim.
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/9ev10e ... 13-07-2016

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Re: No C-300 ?

Postby ilias » Mon 4 Sep 2017 14:42

Can't get sleeping, got reached by team member asking for workboard.

molnibalage wrote:..

i would say its like totaly up to developers' choise, there was | used or could be used in war | self propelled S-300 for army air defence which was capable to provide LR anti aircraft defence ?|there was few of them ? -- then these ones is for choosing from
(we talking about LR ones)
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Re: No C-300 ?

Postby molnibalage » Mon 4 Sep 2017 14:50

ilias wrote:Can't get sleeping, got reached by team member asking for workboard.

molnibalage wrote:..

i would say its like totaly up to developers' choise, there was | used or could be used in war | self propelled S-300 for army air defence which was capable to provide LR anti aircraft defence ?|there was few of them ? -- then these ones is for choosing from

Until 1990 only a single S-300V brigade was deployed in Europe and maybe one in Far East. Even today are only 5-6 brigades.

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Re: No C-300 ?

Postby ilias » Mon 4 Sep 2017 14:51

molnibalage wrote:
ilias wrote:Can't get sleeping, got reached by team member asking for workboard.

molnibalage wrote:..

i would say its like totaly up to developers' choise, there was | used or could be used in war | self propelled S-300 for army air defence which was capable to provide LR anti aircraft defence ?|there was few of them ? -- then these ones is for choosing from

Until 1990 only a single S-300V brigade was deployed in Europe and maybe one in Far East. Even today are only 5-6 brigades.

Do you know Patriots count at that period ?

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Re: No C-300 ?

Postby molnibalage » Mon 4 Sep 2017 15:04

ilias wrote:Do you know Patriots count at that period ?


Only US or other nations either?

MIM-104A/B - Standard/SOJC

1980-85 USA 6750 M USD 60 battery 3600 missile
1983 Germany 2100 M USD 28 battery 896 missile
1983 Netherland 333 M USD 4 battery 60 missile (was not even a full battalion with 6xFU FU = battery)*
1984 Japan 4000 M USD 24 battery 1000 missile

Was far, far much more Patriot in WG timeframe than S-300V. In fact until late '80s only S-300V1 was finished without ABM capability. But Patriot was not applied as way in WG, in GER were deployed at fixed sites regardles they can be deployed anywhere.

*Mixed PIP HAWK III and Patriot battalion is also possible.

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Re: No C-300 ?

Postby GARGEAN » Mon 4 Sep 2017 15:25

molnibalage wrote: blah

Yaaaay, missed this muh-muh stuff! Ah, sweet times.

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Re: No C-300 ?

Postby Fodder » Mon 4 Sep 2017 15:42

Madmat
USA aren't bad, they are one of the two best nations, with USSR.

Although, where USSR has no real rough angle, having good units pretty much in each category, USA has more average infantry but better air control and is the only one ingame to have access to the most high-tech toys (ATACMS, Nighthawk, Patriot, Longbow, ...).
Maybe a little bit more difficult to handle but definitively not "bad".

https://steamcommunity.com/app/251060/d ... 6168640462

[EUG]MadMat wrote:Because:
- it is both within timeframe & available over more era, unlike the LAV-AD.
- it finally provides the USA with a heavy SAM that is both able to swim and move faster than a rheumatic turtle.
- it provides a heavy SAM to Motorized deck.


viewtopic.php?f=155&t=48150&p=666574&hilit=madmat#p666567

ilias wrote:Sorry, do not see connection (between patriots and US infantry) ) , i'm missing something ?

GARGEAN wrote: Wrong.

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Re: No C-300 ?

Postby chykka » Mon 4 Sep 2017 15:54

So what level is the Wargame To&E based off of. In game you can field like 4-3 buk m1 same with tungm, hawk pip and only like 2 malka. Soviets didn't have endless money to throw around in the 90's.
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Re: No C-300 ?

Postby molnibalage » Mon 4 Sep 2017 16:36

GARGEAN wrote:
molnibalage wrote: blah

Yaaaay, missed this muh-muh stuff! Ah, sweet times.

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