Fine-tuning NK/China

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby nuke92 » Sat 6 Jan 2018 14:55

T-72Ms were the last thing they needed lol.
Are there any more Infos of NK domestic ATGMs?
Some modernized Fagots? They have updated salh versions for a while now.
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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby keldon » Sat 6 Jan 2018 15:20

nuke92 wrote:T-72Ms were the last thing they needed lol.
Are there any more Infos of NK domestic ATGMs?
Some modernized Fagots? They have updated salh versions for a while now.


Only the standard stuff i have posted. Any of their domestic upgrades would be OOTF, since 90s was tough for them. In a coalition that won't be any issue if eugen didn't derp out and decided the HJ-8 was toooooooooooo "heavy", but the Chu-MAT was not... <_<
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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby keldon » Sun 7 Jan 2018 15:54

Something different.

The Thai royal army purchased the VT-4 and they have posted some pics.

http://www.fyjs.cn/thread-1888462-1-1.html

many pics much loading time, a bit of patience is needed.

The tank actually has a very long lineage tracing back to the ZTZ-85.

And the ammo performance pic some time ago has to do with that sale.
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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby keldon » Sun 14 Jan 2018 21:37

To stay at the tank topic.

apparantly somebody named Benjamin Lai wrote a book aboutthe armor of WZ123 project.

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/new-ty ... 1/page-244

the glacis plate ... there is composite armor comprised of a complex mix of steel and glass-fiber... the actual protection level is equal to 600 mm RHA steel. The turret is protected by a still-classified armor composite that has the equivalent of 800 mm RHA of protection. During the trials, one T-98 prototype survived fourteen rounds of APFSDS from a 105 mm gun and six rounds from a Soviet T-72C 125 mm gun.


The shooting test aligns with what i have read in chinese sources, additional the tank was also shot by HJ-8 and survived. The number on armor is a bit tricky, since in from the start of the program till early 90s it was required to be 600mm and then later in mid 90s upped to 700mm, given the test was rumored to be conducted after 2000, it could be a new batch than the 9910, which appeared at national day parade and people labled as ZTZ-98.

Also, i'd like to repeat that this thing can be in the game

http://www.guancha.cn/military-affairs/ ... 8669.shtml

Add in what is above you could easily pass over the T-90S. Right, eugen?
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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby Mike » Sun 14 Jan 2018 21:49

Uhh, wouldn't glass fiber be fiberglass?
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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby keldon » Sun 14 Jan 2018 23:18

Mike wrote:Uhh, wouldn't glass fiber be fiberglass?


Should be, but i'm not certain if the terms have any specific differences. Nor am i sure how he can talk about the composition, even if it is just the glacis armor.

Overall i'm kinda skeptical whether you should take what that guy wrote in his book at face value, especially when i saw that 800mm number. I used this mainly as oppurtunity to point out the firing test, which align with what i have read over the years. Meant to say that RD could have had a heavy tank that provide authenticity, gameplay capability and flavor.
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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby urogard » Mon 15 Jan 2018 02:24

keldon wrote:To stay at the tank topic.
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Also, i'd like to repeat that this thing can be in the game

http://www.guancha.cn/military-affairs/ ... 8669.shtml

Add in what is above you could easily pass over the T-90S. Right, eugen?

Hmm, high end Chinese tank with a decent (and I mean decent, none of that shitty-ass strela/igla crap) 2-Shot Manpad strapped onto it could have been quite a flavor thing.

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby nuke92 » Tue 16 Jan 2018 11:07

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby keldon » Tue 16 Jan 2018 13:49



Good find, i only have the second half and smaller. :lol:

I'll link it in nice to read section, thx for your work.

btw. i believe this originated also from a gamey research, if not for one of the world of tanks clone then armored warfare.
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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby Steamfunk » Tue 16 Jan 2018 23:50

The shooting test aligns with what i have read in chinese sources, additional the tank was also shot by HJ-8 and survived. The number on armor is a bit tricky, since in from the start of the program till early 90s it was required to be 600mm and then later in mid 90s upped to 700mm, given the test was rumored to be conducted after 2000, it could be a new batch than the 9910, which appeared at national day parade and people labled as ZTZ-98.


It's not unlikely, these are the glacis figures for T-72B/T-90 -

[3 x 1.34 + 10.5 x 0.41 + 11] / 0.385 = ~51cm KE plus K-5 = 69±2cm KE
[3 x 1.3 + 10.5 x 0.55 + 11] / 0.385 = ~54cm HEAT plus K-5 = 94±4cm HEAT


http://fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/MBT/t-90_armor.html

Add in what is above you could easily pass over the T-90S. Right, eugen?


The Type 98 actually has a few advantages over the T-90, so I'd have to agree.
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