Wargame: Airland Dragon

[FrangibleCover]

- Base Tow should have less range than ITOW

BGM-71A should, BGM-71A-3 should not. From my research A-3 should at least be the one on all helicopter mounts and it appears to have been used in the ground role by Luxembourg (a nation without helicopters), who I presume will not have had the idea on their own and therefore it's probably been used in the ground role by other countries too. I'm afraid more work will be required to figure out who had A and who had A-3.

[Sireyn]

I've uploaded a new version. I am currently compiling data for a larger air-to-air missile rebalance, but for now I have simply buffed all missiles to a minimum of 5 HE.

In addition to all previous discussions...
(All) Air to Air missiles now have a minimum of 5 HE
(All) Fixed ammo capacity on all Tornado's with twin BK-27 cannons
(All) Camera settings tweaked for better control when zoomed in close to the ground
(All) All AP weapons will now fire at 1575m regardless of whether they can cause damage
(USA) Converted F-4J Phantom into an F-4E Phantom (M161 Vulcan, 4x AIM-7F, 4x AIM-9L)
(USA) Removed F-16ES Block 60

Here is a compilation of changes mentioned in prior posts

Spoiler : :

(All) Armory filters fixed in many cases
(All) Ammunition loads between all infantry were standardized
(All) Centurion frontal armor reduced : Mk.5 to 7; Mk.7, Sh'ot Kal, and Austrailian 5/1 to 8; and ERA adds 2 armor.
(All) Leopard 1A5 armor standardized to match 1A3 and 1A4's
(All) Kub-M's renamed Kub-M1
(All) 105mm L7's and M68's were standardized to 9 r/m, with a couple exceptions
(All) QF-20 pdrs were standardized to 10 r/m
(All) M47 Dragon : Range to 1050, AP to 13, Accuracy to 45%
(All) M47 Dragon II : Range to 1050, AP to 16, Accuracy to 45%
(All) M47 Super Dragon : AP to 20, Accuracy to 50%
(US) Mountaineers changed to Light Riflemen (1985) and fixed their stealth : M16, M72A4 LAW, [CQC] M249 SAW (Minimi stat-clone)
(US) Riflemen loadout : M16, M47 Dragon, M60
(US) Riflemen '90 loadout : M16, M47 Dragon II+ (1575m range, 45% accuracy, 16 AP), M240
(US) US Airborne '90 given M249 SAW
(US) US Marine '90 given M60E3 instead of Minimi
(US) Cav Scouts '90 reequipped with M47 Super Dragon (now that the missile is usable)
(US) A-4M Skyhawk II model fixed. It now has 4x 4-tube rocket pods
(W. Germany) Corrected the availability of Panzergrenadiers and Jagers to conform with other nations
(Denmark) These wonderful suggestions
(Denmark) Centurion Mk5/2 gun stats reduced to STRV 102 levels due to lack of gun shroud
(Denmark) Centurion speeds corrected to the 35 km/h offroad standard
(Norway) Leopard 1A5NO had its applique armor removed and the 1A5NO2 was renamed 1A5NO (both have the same name)
(Israel) Sh'ot Kal gun stats reduced to STRV 102 levels due to lack of gun shroud
(USSR) Mig-31F removed
(USSR) Mig-29M loadout changed to 4x KAB-500L and 4x R-73A, stealth rating removed, and cannon ammunition reduced to 100
(USSR) Mig-29S ECM reduced to 30% and bombs changed to 4x RBK-500
(Finland) Mig-29 converted to a proper 9-12A with 4x R-60M and 2x R-27R
(E. Germany) Mig-29 converted to a proper 9-12A with 4x R-60M and 2x R-27R
(Yugoslavia) RSPVO Neva M1T converted into a Kub-M3
(Yugoslavia) RSPVO Neva M1 removed
(Czechoslovakia) Kub-M4 renamed Kub-M3
(Poland) NEWA-SC systems will be retained with tentative stats : 45% accuracy and 2625/5600 range
(Poland) Kub-M converted into a Kub-M3, as they had them in time for CAT C decks
(Poland) Mig-29 9-13S given R-27ER instead of R-27R or R-77
(North Korea) Mig-29 9-12B price corrected

- Base Tow should have less range than ITOW

BGM-71A should, BGM-71A-3 should not. From my research A-3 should at least be the one on all helicopter mounts and it appears to have been used in the ground role by Luxembourg (a nation without helicopters), who I presume will not have had the idea on their own and therefore it's probably been used in the ground role by other countries too. I'm afraid more work will be required to figure out who had A and who had A-3.

Thanks

It is strange you set all MIG-29s to AG role while in RL the only AG role which was assigned to MIG-29 is nuclear strike. At least in units in Hungary.

This is how Eugen had them set, which is a situation comparable to the F-16's.

- Whether Mig-31B should be added

I do not recommend. MiG-31 is a PVO fighter. Period.

At this point I am even considering removing all LRAAM's from decks and increasing missile ranges to compensate (and be one step closer to reality)

[TitoIsMyDrug]

Hi, I love your mod, most units and factions now feel much more diverse. However, I've noticed some inconsistencies with the price/stats ratio of some REDFOR tanks. For example, T-72BU costs 5 pts more than T-80UM, but its advantages are 1 more front and back armor and better fuel economy. T-80UM on the other hand is much faster, has a superior ATGM and the gun is slightly better on the move. Feels more like they should be equally priced.

This issue is more pronounced on some low-mid tanks. Yugo T-55AH Igman costs 5 pts less than Polish T-55AM2 Merida, yet it has superior speed, armor, accuracy on the move, while only having slightly less static accuracy and worse fuel economy.

The M-91 Vihor line also needs readjustment IMO. Their cost/stats ratio makes high end Polish and Czechoslovak tanks redundand. It'd be fine if the Vihor line followed the flavor of the M-84 line: faster and more accurate than equivalent T-72 variants, but with worse armor.

[Sireyn]

Hi, I love your mod, most units and factions now feel much more diverse. However, I've noticed some inconsistencies with the price/stats ratio of some REDFOR tanks. For example, T-72BU costs 5 pts more than T-80UM, but its advantages are 1 more front and back armor and better fuel economy. T-80UM on the other hand is much faster, has a superior ATGM and the gun is slightly better on the move. Feels more like they should be equally priced.

There is a qualitative difference in survivability between 21 and 22 armor when engaging high end tanks, which I believe justifies the 5 point increase despite the T-72BU's other disadvantages.

This issue is more pronounced on some low-mid tanks. Yugo T-55AH Igman costs 5 pts less than Polish T-55AM2 Merida, yet it has superior speed, armor, accuracy on the move, while only having slightly less static accuracy and worse fuel economy.

Thanks for pointing this out. I have increased the price of the Yugo T-55 to 60 to match the Polish one. Due to how the prices are compressed in this capability range, the extra armor point on the Yugo vehicle isn't worth 5 points.

The M-91 Vihor line also needs readjustment IMO. Their cost/stats ratio makes high end Polish and Czechoslovak tanks redundand. It'd be fine if the Vihor line followed the flavor of the M-84 line: faster and more accurate than equivalent T-72 variants, but with worse armor.

I believe the price to be fair for the Vihor series and there is little room for stat reinterpretation, or at least enough to distinguish them further from Czech tanks. There may be a way to merge the two M-91's into a single vehicle. Perhaps by giving the ERA to the base M-91 while retaining its 20 AP ammo or by removing the ERA from the later vehicle?

I do appreciate your comments; if you notice any other pricing discrepancies I'll gladly look into them.

[TitoIsMyDrug]

Thank you for your reply! Hm, you have a point about the T-72BU pricing.

Glad to hear you've adjusted the price of the T-55AH. Now that I've looked into it a bit more, the Finnish T-55M Matti could get a 5 pt price increase as well, since its stats are identical to the Merida except it has 1 more AP. Also, I've noticed that T-72S has 1 less side armor than T-72B, despite having side ERA. Was that intentional on your part, because T-72S has more AP?

As for your Vihor suggestion, the base variant plus ERA sounds like a good idea. Maybe it could have the same armor values like the Twardy and keep the gun and mobility stats of the base Vihor?

Cheers and keep up the good work!

[Sireyn]

Thank you for your reply! Hm, you have a point about the T-72BU pricing.

Glad to hear you've adjusted the price of the T-55AH. Now that I've looked into it a bit more, the Finnish T-55M Matti could get a 5 pt price increase as well, since its stats are identical to the Merida except it has 1 more AP. Also, I've noticed that T-72S has 1 less side armor than T-72B, despite having side ERA. Was that intentional on your part, because T-72S has more AP?

As for your Vihor suggestion, the base variant plus ERA sounds like a good idea. Maybe it could have the same armor values like the Twardy and keep the gun and mobility stats of the base Vihor?

Cheers and keep up the good work!

(All) T-72S side armor fixed
(All) I've looked over every T-55 and corrected several inconsistencies. Their availability has been standardized and slightly adjusted to compete with other vehicles in their capability range.

(Yugoslavia) The M-91 and M-91A Vihors were merged.
The new vehicle will be called the M-91 Vihor with 75km/h mobility, 20 AP, and 22 armor. The ERA is supposed to be somewhere between Kontakt-1 and Kontakt-5 effectiveness, so I retained the 4 armor increase. (K1 is 3 and K5 is 5)

(Finland) T-72M1MOD removed
I've determined that it is a post Cold War development called the T-72MP. It was offered by the Czech Republic and Ukraine using some French equipment and ERA from the T-84.Source

(UK) The Tornado F.2 was replaced with an F-4M Phantom FGR.2 (M61A1, 4x AIM-9G, 4x Skyflash, 20% ECM).
The F.2 did not have a radar and only existed in very limited numbers. This will be using the ANZAC F-4 model, so I recommend installing COMThing's UK Phantom reskin

(ANZAC) The A-4K Skyhawk was converted to a SEAD role with 2x Shrikes
(ANZAC) F-4E Phantom removed
They were on loan between 1970 and 1973, which is too early for Wargame's timeframe, and their ground attack loadout was redundant.

[Bougnas]

A Discord server has now been created for Airland Dragon: https://discord.gg/efC6Jf

[Fodder]

The reason why was debated and explained many times already, so I'll just copy-paste the latest argument here:

Now, as for the LAV-25 being used as a dedicated transport? It wasn't (1983), then it was (1988-89) then from some date and up to now, it wasn't again ...

The LAV-25 is designated as a troop transport in the acquisition document and earlier manual, for it was to be a joint order for both Army and USMC, and it was the former (which wished to use it as an IFV for the Light Infantry Division concept) which was designated as the contracting agency for both Army & USMC.

http://i.imgur.com/wgKq6hd.png

But the Army stepped out ...

In 1988, the Light Armored Battalions' main purpose was still to conduct reconnaissance:

http://i.imgur.com/zDnsII0.png

http://i.imgur.com/vIgUJvy.png

http://i.imgur.com/yL2Y8R7.png

The Corps seems to have had much troubles finding a proper use for it, for it was reroled or its roles expended every 4 or 5 years: transport, recon, security, FSV, ...

Besides, having one battalion of LAV to transport three battalions of Marines + performing their other tasks (recon in 1983, FSV from 1988 apparently) doesn't really mark it as a real organic transport, but more as a more situational one. Since an MEU's heavy amphibians company and transport air wing can't do anything else but transport, we've attached them to Marines as such. Thus freeing the LAV to perform their other, and original, task.

So, instead of having the LAV duplicated in every single category, we've considered it along the same rules as its more stable "cousins": Grizzly, Coyote, ASLAV-25, ...

That is: recon & FSV.

https://www.reddit.com/r/wargame/commen ... teresting/

[Sireyn]

Thank you for posting that Fodder. I had read that post some time ago and began correcting it, though work on my mod has been delayed for the last two months due to an injury.

In my current WIP, I have removed the LAV-25 from Marine infantry and will be reinstating the FSV. I am considering whether I should give Force Recon the recon LAV as a transport, as it does seem fitting.

Other changes include

(All) Fixed many aircraft carrying missiles out of the unit's timeframe, especially regarding AIM-9L's
(All) Command vehicles given good optics / Command infantry given Very Good optics
(France) AMX-10 series moved to the Tank tab
(France) ERC-90 moved to the Recon tab with good optics and intro date changed to 1984
(France) AMX-13 series moved to the Vehicle tab
(Canada) ADATS weapons separated to allow selection of ATGM or AA missile
(Canada) Replaced Canadian F-101 with CF-116A AUP carrying 72 x WDU-5002/B KE rockets (5 AP, 1991 intro)
(Canada) EF-101B Electric Voodoo removed
(UK) Stormer HVM weapons separated to allow selection of ATGM or AA missile
(UK) Ferret Swingfire missile count reduced to 4
(US) Replaced F/A-18E with F/A-18C and modified loadout to 4x AIM-120A and 4x AIM-9M
(US) Fixed A-10 rocket pod 3D model
(North Korea) Fixed M1992 transport availability
(China) Removed PGZ-63
(China) PGZ-89 missile count reduced to 4

[molnibalage]

How many ppl. use this mode generally? How easy is to find a game with the MOD?