F-15c vs Su-27s

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F-15c vs Su-27s

Postby nfsroks1 » Mon 15 Jul 2013 02:45

A couple of days ago i realized that the F-15c costs the same as the Su-27,so i compared their stats:

F-15c

-it has a much more powerful cannon than the Su-27( all stats the same but RoF is 4028r/m vs 267r/m)
-it is 100 km/h faster than Su-27 (1000 km/h)


Su-27s

-it has more autonomy ( 95 km vs 90 km)
-it has 2 more radar missiles than the F-15c (6 vs 4)
-its radar missile has 700m more range than the F-15c and 40 more supression
-its non prototype
-its available in pre 1980s decks

So what do you guys think...
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Re: F-15c vs Su-27s

Postby Corsair » Mon 15 Jul 2013 02:48

Both have exactly the same availability (2*1).
Some stats are "shocking" me tho - I don't really think that a M61 round have the same destructive power than a GSh-30-1 30mm round.. but anyways.
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Re: F-15c vs Su-27s

Postby solaris » Mon 15 Jul 2013 02:49

An important note. The Su-27 is availability 2, not 2 per pack, same as F-15C. Also, the Su-27 was (is) a very capable and dangerous opponent even today, and I feel that its capabilities are well represented in Wargame. Given that most of the rest of the WP airforces are not on par with their Nato counterpart and that having aircraft is now a key part of air defense, I think the Su-27/F-15C dynamic is correct as it stands.
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Re: F-15c vs Su-27s

Postby nfsroks1 » Mon 15 Jul 2013 02:53

solaris wrote:An important note. The Su-27 is availability 2, not 2 per pack, same as F-15C. Also, the Su-27 was (is) a very capable and dangerous opponent even today, and I feel that its capabilities are well represented in Wargame. Given that most of the rest of the WP airforces are not on par with their Nato counterpart and that having aircraft is now a key part of air defense, I think the Su-27/F-15C dynamic is correct as it stands.


i fixed the post, i was almost sure i saw that the F-15c availability had been changed to 2 in the last patch notes...thx for pointing it out

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Re: F-15c vs Su-27s

Postby Graphic » Mon 15 Jul 2013 02:53

Should add "superior maneuverability" to your Su-27 list.
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Re: F-15c vs Su-27s

Postby nfsroks1 » Mon 15 Jul 2013 02:55

Graphic wrote:Should add "superior maneuverability" to your Su-27 list.


i havent compared them "in game" yet, only the armory stats.

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Re: F-15c vs Su-27s

Postby Graphic » Mon 15 Jul 2013 03:00

I have. Not counting the really slow planes, the most maneuverable are the F/A-18 and Su-27. F-15 is considerably worse.
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Re: F-15c vs Su-27s

Postby Corsair » Mon 15 Jul 2013 03:02

-its radar missile has 700m more range than the F-15c and 40 more supression

Might be not really historically accurate (AMRAAM and R-27ER have about the same operational range), but don't forget that the AMRAAM is F&F.
Warhead is bigger on the R-27ER tho.

-its available in pre 1980s decks

Dunno it wasn't fixed yet (1977 is the T-10 prototype first flight year.. :? )

-it has more autonomy ( 95 km vs 90 km)

Not really relevant IMO..

-it has 2 more radar missiles than the F-15c (6 vs 4)

Which is justified :) F-15C have 8 pylons while Su-27 have 10 (8 or 9 if they mount ECM pods).

-it has a much more powerful cannon than the Su-27( all stats the same but RoF is 4028r/m vs 267r/m)

As I said above they should fix this - 30mm should be way more destructive than M61 ammo - Russian (and French, among others) guns philosophy is accurate and powerful guns, but low ammo - M61 philosophy is to flood the area with shells :)

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Re: F-15c vs Su-27s

Postby BurgerKing » Mon 15 Jul 2013 03:06

I do not like these planes, because of the cost but I tried both, and I would say Sukhoï Su-27s is better.
I've so hard time to micro these units, and I lost all my Su27s in most of my training games.

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Re: F-15c vs Su-27s

Postby Killertomato » Mon 15 Jul 2013 03:23

My view is that the Su-27 belongs in the Cat B deck, even if it's 'first prototype flight' instead of 'entry to service' because it's needed to counter things like the F-15A.

Just game fudge, after all. The US could get A-10s in the Cat C deck by that standard but it doesn't because it doesn't need them. :P
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