DLC Inconsistency thread

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DLC Inconsistency thread

Postby Razzmann » Thu 19 May 2016 22:15

Spezialaufklärer are not available in armoured.

Barak II is too cheap and should come at 2 on hardened, not 2 on veteran:
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J-7C should get 20% ecm like the MiG-21MF it is based one and J-7H should be reroled into J-7D as the direct successor with 30% ecm. For more details visit viewtopic.php?p=970200#p970200

BJ-212 PWL-78 has the wrong weapon, the model is type-75 105mm RR
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Su-7BMK costs the same as MiG-21ML / MiG-21Bis despite being worse:
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The avaliablity of infantry in the CH-46 is reduced compared the UH-1N Twin Huey and CH-47 Chinook.

The M60A2E1 and E2 has the MGM-51 when they should have the MGM-51C aka Shillelagh-C. It was in service before their introduction dates.

Dutch KBA 25 (autocannon) has less accuracy than the Japanese and Canadian versions:
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Dutch 95 shock squad is 10pts cheaper while being a 10men US Marines '90 squad, they should be 25pts.

East German MiG-21ML comes only at 2 on veteran:
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T-72M1 Wilk should possibly also be 90 points, it is arguably on par with the K1:
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NL F-16 MLU has 940 cannon rounds; it should have 510 like other F-16s. Also the Name seems to be slightly wrong.
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Tornado F3 (2 at hardened) has inferior max veterancy option to Polish Mig29.13S (2 at veteran) despite costing the same ($135) and having inferior missiles.
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PVTGB 9031 m/77, m/84 (Swedish RR jeeps) have differing HE and AP accuracies.

Dutch Bo-105 SNEB is faster than all other Bo-195s:
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NK MiG-21s still get only 2 per cared whereas the MiG-27 (and a few others) which are clearly better get 3 per card:
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Leichte Schützen should be 30 km/h like other shock light infantry:
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F-7B has worse availability than the J-7IIM despite being the worse plane:
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NK MiG-23ML costs 10points more than the East German counterpart for no good reason:
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Reduce F-16A Block 1 turn radius (it is a pure SRAAM fighter), same with the South Korean one (to 300 like the other F-16 fighters):
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Tank availability is all over the place (copied from Urogards thread: viewtopic.php?f=155&t=57789)
urogard wrote:Base availabilities are as follows ordered by cost
Leopard 2 (80 pts) 10/7
AMX-40 (80 pts) 8/6 *
KPz T-72M1 (80 pts) 8/6 *
M1IP Abrams (80 Pts) 10/7
T-72B1 (85 pts) 8/6 *
ZTZ-85-IIA (85 pts) 8/6 *
K1 (90 pts) 10/7 *
STRV 103D (90 pts) 8/6
T-72B (90 pts) 7/5 *
T-72M1M (90 pts) 7/5 *
Leopard 2A1 (100 pts) 8/6
T-64BM (100 pts) 8/6
T-80A (105 pts) 6/4 *
Challenger 1 Mk.1 (105 pts) 8/6
T-64BV1 (110 pts) 6/4
M1A1 Abrams (115 pts) 6/4
Challenger 1 Mk.2 (120 pts) 6/4
T-64BV (120 pts) 5/4 *
T-72S1 (120 pts) 6/4
T-72M2 WILK (120 pts) 6/4
Leopard 2A4 (130 pts) 5/4
Leopard 2A4 NL (145 pts) 4/3

* mark outliers in availabilities as clearly not in line with their cost neighbours

So technically we get the following list of tanks where availabilities should be changed
AMX-40 => +2/+1
KPz T-72M1 => +2/+1
T-72BI => +2/+1
ZTZ-85-IIA => +2/+1
K1 => -1/-1
STRV 103D => +1/+0
T-72B => +2/+1
T-72M1M => +2/+1
T-80A => +2/+2
T-64BV => +1/+0


So instead of this
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Leopard 2 (80 pts) 10/7
M1IP Abrams (80 Pts) 10/7
AMX-40 (80 pts) 8/6
KPz T-72M1 (80 pts) 8/6
ZTZ-85-IIA (85 pts) 8/6
T-72B1 (85 pts) 8/6
K1 (90 pts) 10/7
STRV 103D (90 pts) 8/6
T-72M1M (90 pts) 7/5
T-72B (90 pts) 7/5
Leopard 2A1 (100 pts) 8/6
T-80A (105 pts) 6/4
Challenger 1 Mk.1 (105 pts) 8/6
T-64BV1 (110 pts) 6/4
M1A1 Abrams (115 pts) 6/4
Challenger 1 Mk.2 (120 pts) 6/4
T-64BV (120 pts) 5/4
T-72S1 (120 pts) 6/4
T-72M2 WILK (120 pts) 6/4


We end up with this
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Leopard 2 (80 pts) 10/7
M1IP Abrams (80 Pts) 10/7
AMX-40 (80 pts) 10/7 => changed by (+2/+1)
KPz T-72M1 (80 pts) 10/7 => changed by (+2/+1)
ZTZ-85-IIA (85 pts) 10/7 => changed by (+2/+1)
T-72B1 (85 pts) 10/7 => changed by (+2/+1)
K1 (90 pts) 9/6 => changed by (-1/-1)
STRV 103D (90 pts) 9/6 => changed by (+1/+0)
T-72M1M (90 pts) 9/6 => changed by (+2/+1)
T-72B (90 pts) 9/6 => changed by (+2/+1)
Leopard 2A1 (100 pts) 8/6
T-80A (105 pts) 8/6 => changed by (+2/+2)
Challenger 1 Mk.1 (105 pts) 8/6
T-64BV1 (110 pts) 6/4
M1A1 Abrams (115 pts) 6/4
Challenger 1 Mk.2 (120 pts) 6/4
T-64BV (120 pts) 6/4 => changed by (+1/+0)
T-72S1 (120 pts) 6/4
T-72M2 WILK (120 pts) 6/4


Revise PVHKP 9A & Bo 105P/PAH-1A1 price price: Fixed!
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Fixed Stuff:




The NK recon type 63 has inverted autonomy and fuel values. It should have 545L for 370km range. Fixed!

PTZ-59 has lower accuracy compared to the ZTZ-59-II which it is modified from Fixed!
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PTZ-59 has lower accuracy compared to the ZTZ-59-II which it is modified from Fixed!
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PGZ-95 has very slow rate of fire for its QW-2 manpad (6 seconds between shot), unlike every other gun/manpad combo Fixed!

ZTS-63-II should have the same gun stats as the ZTQ-62G (range), also it should be 70 km/h due to better enghine (580hp to about 22 tons) Fixed!
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Japanese line infantry gets an availability when used in the HMV: Fixed!
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YPR-765 Prat tow 2 still available to 1980s deck. Fixed!

WZ-551 reduces infantry more than the BTR-80A (line infantry). Fixed!

The introduction date for the Sheridan in the tank tab should be pushed back to 1968 to fit with the MGM-51C that it is armed with. Fixed!

Take a look at Hudou-Ren price (worst MG of the three units as well): Fixed!


The BRDM-2 CV has Poor Optics whereas other Command Units have Medium. Fixed!

Puma command helicopter is not available in motorised whereas the other helicopters are. Fixed!

ZTZ-85IIA should be 80pts like the Chieftain Mk.11: Fixed!
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Check Lehka Pechota vs Norrlandsjägare AT weapon supression: Fixed!


You get 2 cards of the Dutch 5point truck (al other nations only get one): Fixed!
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NK T-72M has less range with its HE gun: Fixed!


Same goes for the T-62MV-1.Fixed!

The ZGD-86 should get the same amount of ammunition for the Grom as the other BMP-1s: Fixed!
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ZTQ-62 recon gun rpm is much lower compared to type 63 despite have the same gun and vehicle dimension. Also the ZTQ-62-I should have the same AP power like type-63/ZTS-63-I due to the ammunition of the same time periode. Possibly also an increase of range because of the laser rangefinder (ZTS-63-I doesn't have one ingame due to wrong model): Fixed!
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The Canadian Cougar Recon has lower availability (8 Trained/6 Hardened) than other Good Optics Vehicles and is cheaper than the non recon version: Fixed!
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Take a look at the VAB T20/13 availability. Reduces it by a lot whereas other transports do not. Fixed!

Infantry availability when choosing 2AV transports over 1AV transports is all over the place (some get an availability hit, some do not):
Too many changes so no pictures here.
Following units get an availability nerf:
(Mostly?)Fixed!
  • Diggers and Diggers 90 take an availability hit when taken in the M113 30/50 over other transports (It is just a basic M113).
  • Riflemen ('90) get an availability penalty when choosing the uparmoured M113 over the basic M113.
  • Gevaermenn ('90) and Stormer get an availability penalty when choosing the XA-186NO over the XA-180.
  • Sochong-Su get an availability penalty when choosing the K200 over the M113.
  • Yebigun get an availability penalty when choosing the K200 over the M113.
  • Gernadiers and Stoottroepen ('95) get an availability penalty when chooding the YPR-765-25 over the AMX-PRI.
  • Bochongsu and Jeogockdae get an availability penalty when choosing the ZSD-531A over the BTR-50PK.
  • Lu Zhandui and Zhanzhi ('85) get an vailability penalty when choosing the ZSD-63C over the ZSD-63A.

The following ones do NOT:
  • Dragoner and Livgarden ('85) do not get an availability penalty when choosing the uparmoured M113 over the basic M113.
  • FSK and Fallskjermjeger ('90) do not get an availability penalty when choosing the XA-186NO over the XA-180.
  • Sochong-Su '85 do not get an availability penalty when choosing the K200 over the M113.
  • Basically all NSWP and Soviet infantry availabilities are fine.
  • Lu Zhandui '90 do not get an vailability penalty when choosing the ZSD-63C over the ZSD-63A.
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Re: DLC Inconsistency thread

Postby cheer up » Thu 19 May 2016 22:21

I assumed the reasoning behind the C eagle vet was that it wasn't prototyped. Also the TOT of the danish mlu vs dutch one even more reason for change like you say

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Re: DLC Inconsistency thread

Postby RoadkillRodger » Thu 19 May 2016 22:24

Good post, that was a quick turnaround

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Re: DLC Inconsistency thread

Postby Razzmann » Thu 19 May 2016 22:27

There is a lot of other stuff.

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Re: DLC Inconsistency thread

Postby Sweedish_Gunner » Thu 19 May 2016 22:29

E-German T-72M1 decreased in availability from 12 -> 9.
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Re: DLC Inconsistency thread

Postby Sir Typhoon » Thu 19 May 2016 22:32

Su-24MP has only 1 of avail and elite too. E Typhoon has 2 cards with 2 planes each (4 in total). The most of bluefor planes have 195 seconds of autonomy :?.
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Re: DLC Inconsistency thread

Postby cheer up » Thu 19 May 2016 22:32

E-German T-72M1 decreased in availability from 12 -> 9.

a few tanks had change in availability i've noticed too. like t72 and t72a for ussr

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Re: DLC Inconsistency thread

Postby [EUG]MadMat » Thu 19 May 2016 22:34

cheer up wrote:
E-German T-72M1 decreased in availability from 12 -> 9.

a few tanks had change in availability i've noticed too. like t72 and t72a for ussr

Look in the log, it is stated that MBTs availabilities were modified to match the new prices. Without going into the details.

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Re: DLC Inconsistency thread

Postby kvasius » Thu 19 May 2016 22:35

DDR LO-1800 Fasta has only 3 Igla rockets.
PT-85 and PT-91 (soviet swimming tank proto's) have only 1 round for their cannon.
Only one (at elite) SU-22M4 (DDR ATGM plane)

Side note: Leichte Schützen vet and MG are still wrong. They should have their 5 percent stabs and up in 1 lvl of vet.
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Re: DLC Inconsistency thread

Postby Solo » Thu 19 May 2016 22:40

Why is Tomcat veterancy so low? Mig-31 is 2x Hardened and Mig-31M is 1x veteran. 1x+1x trained is too low, should increase to 1x+1x at hardened or veteran.

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