Laser guided bombs are dire. Bad, bad change.

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Re: Laser guided bombs are dire. Bad, bad change.

Postby Caterpillar » Wed 5 Oct 2016 16:11

Borscht wrote:Is it possible to simply add "accurate"/"non-accurate", same as artillery, mechanic? Meaning regular bombers would have a crazy spread, LGB a much better one up to pinpoint accuracy if you can actually see the spot. Will also introduce some more realism factor to recce sniper squads.


You wont be able to hit moving targets.
LGBs can be guided on the move against moving targets
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Re: Laser guided bombs are dire. Bad, bad change.

Postby RoadkillRodger » Wed 5 Oct 2016 16:13

another505 wrote:
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morpher wrote:But LGBs still hit the target directly, just not every time. Any soft target will die as usual, the nerf just remove the 100% success rate in killing super heavies.
I feel like people forgot the F-1 exists.

and now they are 90pts plane, dont expect much of them


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Re: Laser guided bombs are dire. Bad, bad change.

Postby molnibalage » Wed 5 Oct 2016 18:02

Caterpillar wrote:
Borscht wrote:Is it possible to simply add "accurate"/"non-accurate", same as artillery, mechanic? Meaning regular bombers would have a crazy spread, LGB a much better one up to pinpoint accuracy if you can actually see the spot. Will also introduce some more realism factor to recce sniper squads.


You wont be able to hit moving targets.
LGBs can be guided on the move against moving targets

Within certain limitations. In LR targets with 20-30 km/h are in this category. Fast moving targets on road in case they are doing in the right moment the turn or stop depends on luck and how big was the pre aim, especially if the target accle and change course after bomb release because laser guidance means only terminal correction in RL.

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Postby al531246 » Wed 5 Oct 2016 18:44

Razzmann wrote:And to everyone screaming it is unrealistic etc. etc.... shouldn't many ATGMs get 90% hit ratio then? Shouldn't Most helicopters die to a single manpad? Shouldn't ground based ATGMs outrange tanks a lot more than they do now? The list goes on...


ATGM's like the Milan are guided by a human operator, yeah IRL the accuracy is probably a little higher but Eugen do their best to try and simulate stuff like losing LOS etc. The range on wire guided ATGM's is about right, their limited by the length of wire, this is one of the drawbacks of the Milan IRL.

LGB's are guided by a computer and a laser. They rarely, if ever, miss. Nerfing the accuracy wasn't the answer, upping the cost / increase reloading time was. But I do agree with your sentiment, we shouldn't knee jerk react and instantly revert the change to the old ways.
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Re: Laser guided bombs are dire. Bad, bad change.

Postby Narcissistic Black » Wed 5 Oct 2016 18:52

throwaway wrote:
Narcissistic Black wrote:Aren't there like 7 rocket planes in total in wargame though?


There's at least that many on redfor alone, unless you want to count planes cloned between two nations as the same unit.

Anyway I'd need to play more to be sure but I don't think its a bad change at first glance, they're still very survivable.



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Postby Xeno426 » Wed 5 Oct 2016 19:17

Razzmann wrote:I think many know my stance on LGBs before this patch so I am not going to repeat this here.
LGBs now are in a decent spot. I don't want to give a "final judgement" but they are certainly better (balance wise) than before. They are still strong and capable of damaging tanks, Kurnass and RA'AM being prime examples for that. Even if they don't technically hit, they can still hit slightly behind the target, hitting the rear armour, making LGB planes like the Kurnass and Nighthawk still very strong even if they missed.

At the same price point, you can get an AGM platform that will hit more consistently.
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Re: Laser guided bombs are dire. Bad, bad change.

Postby Razzmann » Wed 5 Oct 2016 19:20

Xeno426 wrote:
Razzmann wrote:I think many know my stance on LGBs before this patch so I am not going to repeat this here.
LGBs now are in a decent spot. I don't want to give a "final judgement" but they are certainly better (balance wise) than before. They are still strong and capable of damaging tanks, Kurnass and RA'AM being prime examples for that. Even if they don't technically hit, they can still hit slightly behind the target, hitting the rear armour, making LGB planes like the Kurnass and Nighthawk still very strong even if they missed.

At the same price point, you can get an AGM platform that will hit more consistently.

And you can't bilnd bomb with them or shoot at infantry. You also can't split them and instantly stun and panick several tanks at once.
Also ATGM planes at that price range have a lower survivability. (F-18C 40% ECM at 160pts, RA'AM 50% ECM at 150pts)

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Re: Laser guided bombs are dire. Bad, bad change.

Postby another505 » Wed 5 Oct 2016 19:27

ToTheMetal wrote:
another505 wrote:and now they are 90pts plane, dont expect much of them

Yeah, pretty much overpriced rocket plane

Really? Like 10 -20 pts more than a rocket plane with better survivability and damage?

Sooo overpriced
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Re: Laser guided bombs are dire. Bad, bad change.

Postby RoadkillRodger » Wed 5 Oct 2016 19:38

Imo this was a necessary direction for lgb to go in, both for balance and national flavour.

I'd personally suggest they have closer to 75% accuracy though.

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Re: Laser guided bombs are dire. Bad, bad change.

Postby Xeno426 » Wed 5 Oct 2016 19:38

Razzmann wrote:And you can't bilnd bomb with them or shoot at infantry. You also can't split them and instantly stun and panick several tanks at once.
Also ATGM planes at that price range have a lower survivability. (F-18C 40% ECM at 160pts, RA'AM 50% ECM at 150pts)

The problem is that AGMs should never be more accurate. The CEP on the Paveway II is 1 meter, even against moving targets. Laser-guided bombs should be directly hitting their targets 70-80% of the time; to compensate, the platforms should be balanced by other means. Having them less accurate than other platforms is just plain silly.
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