HrcAk47 wrote:Why are you so pessimistic, Keldon? I mean, it is your right to not want to do it personally, but shitting up youzhe's enthusiasm?
Look at it objectively. MadMat did a pretty good job for a foreigner with no knowledge of Chinese, researching for Red Dragons. It's not just "unit A exists". You need dimensions, technical data on all systems, day of prototyping, day of introduction. You need tons of images and blueprints for art team. And yet, they have around a hundred units each! It's easy to make jokes on how badly they did. Why not help them fix it properly?
What I'm certain Eugen appreciates is a concise proposal of "this is how it's supposed to look like". And then, they can decide on taking steps to fix it. Do you think they enjoy having 1/3 of REDFOR (and not just any nations, but the TITULAR ONES) unplayable? Or is it a French conspiracy against China and NK?
I'm primarily being realistic of whats possible at this stage of game. Also, yes, i'm pessimistic about the prospect of a large overhaul of the RD faction, simply based on the fact that the drafting phase for that faction is over, more than 2 years ago actually. Youzhe obviously has the intention to propose his extensive list to convince devs to make changes happen, and i'm advising him to not have too high of a expectations, since the more you expect the bigger the disappointment.
Look, i know you are happy about how Yugo turned out and i am also very happy for you. However the situation of Yug/Fin is an entirely different one compared to RD, just because they are not in the game yet and the drafting phase is happening now. You ask why i am pessimistic? After more than 2 years of asking for tweaking/buffing/overhauling and the marshal for China ragequitting, i believe an overwhelming majority of old players would be a little dampened in their enthusiasm. I personally replaced it with a realistic view of what still can happen, since till eugen stops the support for the game, the buffing/patching phase is open.
While i do respect the devs for attempt the difficult task of modelling China/NK, the results are... sub-optimal. Like i said in the past, i don't know H-J personally nor do i know how extensive he provided eugen with reference materials on the marshal forum, but there are still very simple things that are wrong. Let's just leave it at that.
Lastly i'd like to emphasize that i'm not intentionally "shitting" on people, but rather being realistic and honest about the prospects. Contrary to Yugo/Fin, eugen won't start making new pretty models for RD simply because somebody flood them with reference material (which people did provide including me). For it to happen a new drafting phase for RD is needed, whether it is in form of a dlc/dedicated patch/wargame 4 is not the issue here. So, i don't believe devs enjoy 1/3 of RedFor being crippled, but i do believe the priority of RD faction is really low for them.