Fine-tuning NK/China

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby QUAD » Sun 27 Nov 2016 03:19

give north korea konkurs, give China a light infantry shock unit with the grenade rifle thing replacing the MG.

also Lu Zhandui to mech and motorized decks with corresponding transport, and make NK machineguns average.
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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby another505 » Sun 27 Nov 2016 03:28

keldon wrote:
Demonicjapsel wrote:in that case, i fully endorse one of the plane cards being turned into that :)

IMHO, the ASF part should look something like this

Su 27, "top ASF"
J-8's as MRAAM mediums, make the pl-11 a Matra Super 530D clone
J-7 as dedicated anti helo hunter.


I thought you want to get rid of that lolwut ATGM on the bis? :lol:

Hahah, i did make some suggestions for the Mig-21

being as rocket planes they would do amazing.
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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby Demonicjapsel » Sun 27 Nov 2016 03:30

keldon wrote:
Demonicjapsel wrote:in that case, i fully endorse one of the plane cards being turned into that :)

IMHO, the ASF part should look something like this

Su 27, "top ASF"
J-8's as MRAAM mediums, make the pl-11 a Matra Super 530D clone
J-7 as dedicated anti helo hunter.


I thought you want to get rid of that lolwut ATGM on the bis? :lol:


IMHO, that was my original plan, but depending on what else is done with the NK airtab, that might not be needed. But yes, i prefer the Bis with 4x R60 2x R-13, although that means losing out on the shitty ATGM. which might be a bad thing.

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby another505 » Sun 27 Nov 2016 03:34

My suggestion was, Mig-21bis with S-5 rockets and something like R-60m

And the Mig-21 before it becomes the helo hunter with some R-60m missiles and something from the K-13 family (Forgot :( )
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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby Sgt._Pepper » Sun 27 Nov 2016 03:39

Demonicjapsel wrote:
keldon wrote:
Demonicjapsel wrote:in that case, i fully endorse one of the plane cards being turned into that :)

IMHO, the ASF part should look something like this

Su 27, "top ASF"
J-8's as MRAAM mediums, make the pl-11 a Matra Super 530D clone
J-7 as dedicated anti helo hunter.


I thought you want to get rid of that lolwut ATGM on the bis? :lol:


IMHO, that was my original plan, but depending on what else is done with the NK airtab, that might not be needed. But yes, i prefer the Bis with 4x R60 2x R-13, although that means losing out on the shitty ATGM. which might be a bad thing.


I think losing the Grom for an actually useful loadout is actually a plus. And there is still the MiG-21PFM, which has the same crappy missile.
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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby frostypooky » Sun 27 Nov 2016 03:49

yea, i was thinking between the three MiG-21/F-7, you can have heavy rocket bird (they do have 200mm+ rocket series), helo hunter/Cat C interceptor, and keep the Grom on the older one for lulz (and i see Sovkor people use it a bit on the 10v10 tactical shit, its a cheap chance to kill a tank if you know they have no real AA, but yea the plane is hopeless in real matches)

change the mig-17/f-5/mig-19/su-7s up for iron bombs and better rockets, axing the napalm loadout and putting maximum napalm load on either the A-5 or a new B-5 alternate loadout called Il-28 (no new model required). this way it reduces redundancy (China has the same loadouts for both cluster A-5s and the napalm J-5, USSR has slightly better napalm bombers and much better cluster platforms), and napalm is useless at 2 bombs anyway, so might as well shuffle it to a larger platform.

change MiG-29 from R-27T to R-27R (for authenticity and so it can be a decent high training/lower priced SAR card like the Yugo/French/Britbong ones), consider adding the Kh-25MP to Su-25 for a unique loadout (they have these, would be interesting to see a dual ATGM/SEAD loadout but i dont know if thats abuse of game mechanics :D)

and congrats you have a much better air tab with minimal effort

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby Sgt._Pepper » Sun 27 Nov 2016 04:24

frostypooky wrote:and congrats you have a much better air tab with minimal effort


Yeah, even small changes(not just in the Air tab) could do a lot to make RD better.

Maybe the A-5I could be changed to four FAB-500? Currently the B-5 is NKs only bomber.
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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby Steamfunk » Sun 27 Nov 2016 06:04

Hahah, i did make some suggestions for the Mig-21

being as rocket planes they would do amazing.


The Q-5I actually isn't bad, I sunk a few ships with those.

Maybe the A-5I could be changed to four FAB-500? Currently the B-5 is NKs only bomber.


Non-cluster, you mean? Problem with the Fantans is they die in a breath due to - speed (nothing we can do about that), zero ECM (maybe something can be done)..

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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby Bougnas » Sun 27 Nov 2016 12:44

I was thinking of those changes for the PLAAF:

CAT-C:

Q-5 (1979): 23mm gun, 1 Type 1000 bomb.

Offers a cheap heavy bomb loadout for the era.

J-7-II ASF: 10/20% ECM, twin Type 30-1 gun, 2 PL-2, 2 57mm rocket pods with mixed AA/A2G capability to kill choppers and bombers. (4 PL2 would be crap)

J-7-II 130mm: same but 2*4 130mm HE Rockets, 2*4 130mm HE-NAPALM rockets.

Rocket+arsonist loadout!

CAT-B:

Q-5IA: (1983) 6 Type 250 cluster bombs, 2 PL-2B (K13M counterpart), 10% ECM.

J-7C (1984): 20% ECM, 4 Type 250 napalm bombs.

The J-7C was produced in low numbers and as such was used as attack aircraft or night fighter.

CAT-A:

Q-5M/K (1990?): Proto, 20% ECM?
2 PL-5/7 and 2 YJ-5 (late version) as SEAD plane.

The JH-7A and YJ-91 were OOTF so this would be a more ITF unit. Also more affordable.

J-8-IIB: 2 PL-8, 4-6 Type 500 bombs, 400-450 turn rate, 30% ECM.

The J-8 is a huge plane and pretty much the only one that would be able to carry such a big bomb loadout.

J-7E (1990): 20/30% ECM, 2 PL-8, 2 PL-7, 350 turn rate due to the new wings?

Advanced dogfighter/helo hunter. The mixed SRAAM loadout allows it to quickly fire the missiles.

Su-27SK (1991): non proto ASF. I thought about giving it 2 R-73M1 (increase acc) and 2 R-27R1 (55% acc) to give China a F-16 Block 15 counterpart.

Su-27SMK (1995): Replaces the R-27 with R-77, better ECM? 4/4 missile loadout.

Heavy ASF.

JH-7 (1994): Yuge cluster bomb loadout to make for the lack of missiles.

J-7D (1991): Lulz 90mm AP rocket loadout?

Generic changes: Python 3, PL-8, PL-7 and Magic series get 5HE. J-7 flying stats. Q-5 turn rate reduced to 350 to represent the good low level manoeuvrability (also present on the Mig-19)


Excess planes: J-7D, J-7-IIM (1985), J-8-I (1981), some Q-5 variants, J-5 and 6.
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Re: Fine-tuning NK/China

Postby keldon » Sun 27 Nov 2016 15:59

Given that the release is next thursday, i don't think any morebig changes will happen, they have Yugo/Fin to tweak after all.

Thx to everybody who contributed! I think after the patch comes out we can do more constructive proposals.
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