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Postby Mike » Sun 17 Jan 2016 06:01

Why does it have 5 HE? Are its HE shells better than the HE shells fired by Soviet 125mm guns? I tried looking into it awhile ago and didn't find anything worth while.

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Postby wargamer1985 » Sun 17 Jan 2016 06:07

Everyone knows that Soviet 122mm HE rounds from WWII are superior to HE rounds from the American M81 152mm. Why? Because Communism, that's why.
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Postby KattiValk » Sun 17 Jan 2016 06:16

wargamer1985 wrote:Everyone knows that Soviet 122mm HE rounds from WWII are superior to HE rounds from the American M81 152mm. Why? Because Communism, that's why.
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Re: Su-122-54

Postby Mike » Sun 17 Jan 2016 06:18

kiheerSEDMAN wrote:
wargamer1985 wrote:Everyone knows that Soviet 122mm HE rounds from WWII are superior to HE rounds from the American M81 152mm. Why? Because Communism, that's why.
The only thing the US is good at doing is making things that kill tanks in Hollywood. That's why the US has a unicorn and only 2 tank cards with 20 AP or more.


Come on, I'm looking a for a serious answer guys. Please don't turn this into a US vs USSR/Russia pissing match.
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Re: Su-122-54

Postby another505 » Sun 17 Jan 2016 06:33

I don't know much about russian tank shells in early cold war, maybe seek knowledge from higher planes of existence where such deities as BTR resides.
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Re: Su-122-54

Postby Rabidnid » Sun 17 Jan 2016 06:54

Mike wrote:Why does it have 5 HE? Are it's HE shells better than the HR shells fired by Soviet 125mm guns? I tried looking into it awhile ago and didn't find anything worth while.


Standard 122 mm HE carries a 3.5 kg HE charge in a 25 kg shell, compared to a 3.5 kg HE charge in 23.5 kg shell for the 125 mm.

Realistically there were a number of different projectiles for the 122 mm using different explosives and carrying charges of up to 4 kg, so the +1 HE is entirely plausible.
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Postby hansbroger » Sun 17 Jan 2016 07:45

Mike wrote:
kiheerSEDMAN wrote:
wargamer1985 wrote:Everyone knows that Soviet 122mm HE rounds from WWII are superior to HE rounds from the American M81 152mm. Why? Because Communism, that's why.
The only thing the US is good at doing is making things that kill tanks in Hollywood. That's why the US has a unicorn and only 2 tank cards with 20 AP or more.


Come on, I'm looking a for a serious answer guys. Please don't turn this into a US vs USSR/Russia pissing match.


Stalinium shell fragments are serious business. But in all seriousness it's a lower velocity shell and can likely hold a higher ratio of HE filler to casing.
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Re: Su-122-54

Postby Mike » Sun 17 Jan 2016 07:50

Rabidnid wrote:
Mike wrote:Why does it have 5 HE? Are it's HE shells better than the HR shells fired by Soviet 125mm guns? I tried looking into it awhile ago and didn't find anything worth while.


Standard 122 mm HE carries a 3.5 kg HE charge in a 25 kg shell, compared to a 3.5 kg HE charge in 23.5 kg shell.

Realistically there were a number of different rounds for the 122 mm using different explosives and carrying charges of up to 4 kg, so the +1 HE is entirely plausible.


Is it really more effective at eliminating infantry than a 125mm HE-Frag that it's worthy of +1 HE?
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Re: Su-122-54

Postby Sigirdiwarth » Sun 17 Jan 2016 07:59

Give 125mm 5 HE, (non-existant) problem solved.
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Re: Su-122-54

Postby Rabidnid » Sun 17 Jan 2016 08:01

Mike wrote:
Rabidnid wrote:
Mike wrote:Why does it have 5 HE? Are it's HE shells better than the HR shells fired by Soviet 125mm guns? I tried looking into it awhile ago and didn't find anything worth while.


Standard 122 mm HE carries a 3.5 kg HE charge in a 25 kg shell, compared to a 3.5 kg HE charge in 23.5 kg shell.

Realistically there were a number of different rounds for the 122 mm using different explosives and carrying charges of up to 4 kg, so the +1 HE is entirely plausible.


Is it really more effective at eliminating infantry than a 125mm HE-Frag that it's worthy of +1 HE?


If someone dragged them out in the 90s and they were using the current projectiles for the D30 with a reduced charge then yes.
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