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Re: Request to replace all S-5 Rockets

Postby DeckCheney » Sun 19 Jun 2016 12:06

Vulcan 607 wrote:57mm vs 70mm rockets cause there is a HE difference


S-5M has a warhead of weight of 0.815kg

FFAR Mk 4 has a warhead weight of 2.7kg

Well... derp.



Can we just abstract 2HE anyway- in the same manner how various AAMs/SAMs have varying HE values contrary to their IRL warhead sizes/effectiveness?

2HE is needed for rockets to do sufficent damage to light armor; 1HE just tickles.

Otherwise; after reading through the S-5 assessment; I'd like to keep the system in game; least employed in with some absurd prototype Tanks/FSVs/IFVs.
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Re: Request to replace all S-5 Rockets

Postby Sweedish_Gunner » Sun 19 Jun 2016 15:22

The Ukrainians mounted S-8's on a Strela-10M in place of the actual Strela missiles. That'd be pretty zany.
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Re: Request to replace all S-5 Rockets

Postby Xeno426 » Sun 19 Jun 2016 21:39

DeckCheney wrote:
Sweedish_Gunner wrote:Source that any Soviet allied state had fully transitioned over to using the S-8 over the S-5?


Ehhh no parabla Ruskie... this is going to be a major ass pain to research since my position is formed from 2nd hand information. I'll see what I can't dig up.

Don't know how much it was adopted, but the Poles did develop their own 10-round launch pod for helicopters, the B-8-10, so they transitioned enough for that development to make sense. They used them on their Su-20, Su-22 and MiG-29 aircraft. Don't know about helicopters, though.

The GDR had the B-8V20 and used them on their Hinds. Don't know about aircraft.

The CSLA made use of the B-8V20 and B-8M1 pods, so they were used both on fixed-wing and helicopters.

Don't know dates on when they were adopted, unfortunately.

China never used the S-8 (and the Mi-4 never used them either). China relied upon its own indigenous 90mm and 130mm rockets, but the Type 130 only seems to be used on fixed-wing aircraft. They made use of the Type 57, which was a copy of the S-5, on both fixed-wing and helicopter platforms.
The Type 90 came in several forms and warheads, but was only launched from HF-9 9-round tubes. The Type 57 only had basic HE warheads.

No idea about the DPRK, but seeing as they lacked decent platforms for the S-8 in the first place, I doubt they used them. Their only options would be the MiG-23ML and MiG-29, and they would never commit those aircraft to ground attack. Since the Hind was never a helicopter they actually operated, it seems even less likely they would have anything bigger than the S-5. They might have the S-3K rocket for their Su-7s, though.
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Re: Request to replace all S-5 Rockets

Postby molnibalage » Mon 20 Jun 2016 10:19

DeckCheney wrote:The S-5 is terrible.

The S-5 makes all the helos it's mounted to underperforming/terrible -The Bulk of the RedFor HeloTab. While some nations have alternatives that don't directly make them dependant upon S-5 platforms for Heliborne operations (Mi-17s/Ka-29), Red Dragon and DDR Airborne are primarily hurt due to regular Mi-8T transports armed with S-5s beings their only deployment options.

The easiest solution is to REMOVE the S-5 from game- rocket planes included; and replace it with the more reliable S-8 that can actually damage targets.

Replace S-5s with S-8s.

This idea is terrible not the S-5.

In fact redfor airborne deck is powerful because transport helos are useable even with S-5 while most of bleufor helo does not have rockets just 875/1050 m range shit MGs with 0 firepower. I never be able to understand why can have inf. mounted MG 40-70% base ACC with 700-1000 m range while APC or helo based MG has 10-15% base ACC...

Even with S-8 you can kill AD units while your 25 CP bluefor helos after you have unload your toops are only garbage. Redfor can have armored helo with MG and rocket with 1/2 AV with 8HP while totally unarmored bluefor helos for 15-25 CP has only MG. I have to laugh on this request.

So not S-5 should be removed or swapped but instead UH-1 should carry rockets.

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Re: Request to replace all S-5 Rockets

Postby DeckCheney » Mon 20 Jun 2016 19:16

molnibalage wrote:BLAH BLAH BLAH


See my countless other requests to improve BlueFor Helos.

S-5 is terrible and needs to be remove from the platforms which deserve upgrades and or given better stats.
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Re: Request to replace all S-5 Rockets

Postby Bougnas » Mon 20 Jun 2016 19:29

molnibalage wrote:

So not S-5 should be removed or swapped but instead UH-1 should carry rockets.



The Huey can't carry rockets and a full squad simultaneously. Anyway NATO never intended to use heavily armed transport helos (outside of the Lynx AH-7 and the French SA-330 Pirate), so don't even ask for them.
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Re: Request to replace all S-5 Rockets

Postby molnibalage » Mon 20 Jun 2016 20:34

Bougnas wrote:
molnibalage wrote:

So not S-5 should be removed or swapped but instead UH-1 should carry rockets.



The Huey can't carry rockets and a full squad simultaneously. Anyway NATO never intended to use heavily armed transport helos (outside of the Lynx AH-7 and the French SA-330 Pirate), so don't even ask for them.

In this case do general -5CP price cut. It is insane that you pay the same CP for a fully rocket loaded neverending HE launcher and for a MG equipped helos for the same HP and more or less for the same speed.

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Re: Request to replace all S-5 Rockets

Postby Killertomato » Mon 20 Jun 2016 22:05

Sweedish_Gunner wrote:The Ukrainians mounted S-8's on a Strela-10M in place of the actual Strela missiles. That'd be pretty zany.



It's a handy thing to do if the other side has no aviation.

Still, the Libyans have them beat in the mad max stakes.
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Re: Request to replace all S-5 Rockets

Postby Xeno426 » Mon 20 Jun 2016 22:48

That's been done earlier than the USSR splitting up.

Spoiler : Lots of images :
During the Afghanistan war.
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And a T-62 with three UB-32 pods. Outrageous!
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Georgia wasn't about to be left out.
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Because they needed to match the technological advancement of the Abkhazians.
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Yugoslavia also did some work with these things. Starting with the TAM-110.
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And some other... odd vehicle.
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Or protection on the Krajina Express.
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Even the US got in on the trend.
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Here's some Ukrainian stuff.
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Israel gets in on it.
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And who could forget about Transnistria! Bring President-for-life Igor Smirnov back!
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And if anyone quotes this, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT QUOTE ALL THE IMAGES.
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Re: Request to replace all S-5 Rockets

Postby Killertomato » Mon 20 Jun 2016 22:49

AFAIK the M113 was only a smoke launcher... but we had this too!

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