No C-300 ?

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Re: No C-300 ?

Postby ilias » Mon 4 Sep 2017 16:43

molnibalage wrote:
ilias wrote:Do you know Patriots count at that period ?


Only US or other nations either?

MIM-104A/B - Standard/SOJC

1980-85 USA 6750 M USD 60 battery 3600 missile
1983 Germany 2100 M USD 28 battery 896 missile
1983 Netherland 333 M USD 4 battery 60 missile (was not even a full battalion with 6xFU FU = battery)*
1984 Japan 4000 M USD 24 battery 1000 missile

Was far, far much more Patriot in WG timeframe than S-300V. In fact until late '80s only S-300V1 was finished without ABM capability. But Patriot was not applied as way in WG, in GER were deployed at fixed sites regardles they can be deployed anywhere.

*Mixed PIP HAWK III and Patriot battalion is also possible.

Of course only US (we talking about S-300 to "URSS"),
sorry for long response,
made some small research,

sure what you will not state against that preciseness of comparative equipment count in Wargame is pretty far from real (even not counting things like: TOS-1 which's count even now ~15 (according to your data C-300 count in that time period ~20 or more) (yes i understand what S-300 most possible would stay on country's border defence); Patriots which then should be 4+;..),
according to ~ scaling of Russian armed forces certain vehicles count comparative to US's, in the game could present ~0.4-2.1 S-300, adding 1(max count in desk) to USSR for fairness, with 7000 range(more than Patriot) wouldn't hurt anything, S-300 is even some kind of national symbol, it would be pretty move, liked by Red side players, which wouldn't brake the game

(also what data source you took the data (about patriots) from ? (if not a secret :) ))

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Re: No C-300 ?

Postby molnibalage » Mon 4 Sep 2017 16:49

ilias wrote:according to ~ scaling of Russian armed forces certain vehicles count comparative to US's, in the game could present ~0.4-2.1 S-300, adding 1(max count in desk) to USSR for fairness, with 7000 range(more than Patriot) wouldn't hurt anything, S-300 is even some kind of national symbol, it would be pretty move, liked by Red side players, which wouldn't brake the game

(also what data source you took the data (about patriots) from ? (if not a secret :) ))

Anti airplane range of S-300V/V1 was only 75 km comparing to 68 km or MIM-104A missile. So gibing 7km in WG would be strange...
75/68 is not the same as 7/5.6 km...

I'm working with Hpasp, the creator of SAMsimulator, I got many stuff from him. I did not asked the exact source because I guess he gathered from tons of different places. Most of values are matched my data, so I trust his stuff.

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Re: No C-300 ?

Postby ilias » Mon 4 Sep 2017 16:52

molnibalage wrote:
ilias wrote:according to ~ scaling of Russian armed forces certain vehicles count comparative to US's, in the game could present ~0.4-2.1 S-300, adding 1(max count in desk) to USSR for fairness, with 7000 range(more than Patriot) wouldn't hurt anything, S-300 is even some kind of national symbol, it would be pretty move, liked by Red side players, which wouldn't brake the game

(also what data source you took the data (about patriots) from ? (if not a secret :) ))

Anti airplane range of S-300V/V1 was only 75 km comparing to 68 km or MIM-104A missile. So gibing 7km in WG would be strange...
75/68 is not the same as 7/5.6 km...

I'm working with Hpasp, the creator of SAMsimulator, I got many stuff from him. I did not asked the exact source because I guess he gathered from tons of different places. Most of values are matched my data, so I trust his stuff.

S-300V 75
S-300P 90
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Re: No C-300 ?

Postby GARGEAN » Mon 4 Sep 2017 17:01

molnibalage wrote:Anti airplane range of S-300V/V1 was only 75 km comparing to 68 km or MIM-104A missile. So gibing 7km in WG would be strange...
75/68 is not the same as 7/5.6 km...

Yeap, cause 9M82 missile never existed...

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Re: No C-300 ?

Postby ilias » Mon 4 Sep 2017 17:09

GARGEAN wrote:
molnibalage wrote:Anti airplane range of S-300V/V1 was only 75 km comparing to 68 km or MIM-104A missile. So gibing 7km in WG would be strange...
75/68 is not the same as 7/5.6 km...

Yeap, cause 9M82 missile never existed...

Minimally: 5V55R was produced, which have range of 90km

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Re: No C-300 ?

Postby GARGEAN » Mon 4 Sep 2017 17:16

ilias wrote:Minimally: 5V55R was produced, which have range of 90km

Again: missile for S-300P, which fit game even worse that Patrion or S-300V.

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Re: No C-300 ?

Postby ilias » Mon 4 Sep 2017 17:23

Okay, yes, on battlefield would be logically to see Antey, but i'm not sure about their production, while S-300P versions definitely were produced in enough counts

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It does fits the game fine, for example i had no problems with 7000 range patriots playing for Red
If you mean because of it's main application (country's air defence) then it depends, as example: who knows how it could be used also, in the wartime (especially by russians :) )

And if antey--then 5km, what is the big deal ?
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Re: No C-300 ?

Postby GARGEAN » Mon 4 Sep 2017 17:25

ilias wrote:you *gd;se/es*d*f/af

And what that's supposed to mean.

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Re: No C-300 ?

Postby ilias » Mon 4 Sep 2017 17:26

GARGEAN wrote:
ilias wrote:you *gd;se/es*d*f/af

And what that's supposed to mean.

Letting you choose

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Re: No C-300 ?

Postby ilias » Mon 4 Sep 2017 17:39

GARGEAN wrote:
ilias wrote:you *gd;se/es*d*f/af

And what that's supposed to mean.

Sor, i just bit angry that i can't finally get sleeping (not because of this topic), hope the answer in previous,previous than that one post is fine

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